Tall Bull's headdress

[stoneforehead]

anyone try flipping the stem around where the head is snug into the pipe

[stoneforehead]

notice his pipe

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[ctmckeown]

Tom:
Do you happen to have a copy of your trip report to Billings? You can contact me at: [e-mail]
Tim

[tkavanagh]

Tim:

Well, sort of.

First: it was not written for distriution.

and

Second: I have just moved and everything is in a storage pod and virtually unaccessible.

What is it that you wish to know?

tk

[ctmckeown]

Better offline.

[tkavanagh]

Last fallk (see above, reply #2), I wrote:

"In 1990 (IIRC, maybe 1991)..."

I have since looked at my notes. It was in the summer of 1988.

tk

[bob]

Hello all, I'm Bob and I'm new. I think these pics of that really cool headdress are incredible. Ive never seen one like that. Cheyenne dog soldiers and the cool headdresses/war bonnets they wore are of particular interest to me. Over the last 2 weeks Ive become obsessed with replicating dog soldier weapons and attire. (I better get good at brain tanning deer hide) And of course knowing more about the history of these Indians. Great pics for sure. Do any of you guys/ gals do any replicating of naive American art?

[badhand]

Jul 23, 2009 9:25:17 GMT -5 Historian said:

An elaborate headdress attributed to Tall Bull (Cheyenne), exhibited at the New Orleans Museum of Art in 2003. Tall Bull, was a noted Cheyenne warrior and the leader of the Dog Soldier Band. He was killed by U.S. troops at Summit Springs near Sterling, Colorado on 11 July 1869. Tall Bull's unusual headdress, with buffalo horns attached all down its trailer, was in such poor condition that it had never been exhibited, and for many years it had not been fully unfolded and examined.

[badhand]

Hello, please excuse if this is a repeat post which I tried to send earlier.
Anyways, the Northern Cheyenne did not have any Dog Men or Dog Soldiers, they had "Crazy Dog Society" totally different regalia , songs etc. The Dog Men (Soldiers) were in S Cheyenne only.
Also I thoroughly examined this head dress in minute detail over a couple of hours and took meticulous notes, measurements, photos etc and have made two exact reproductions of it, all before this photo was taken here. I was also able to discover a second version of it and wrote about each in my latest book Plains Indians Regalia and Customs which also has several original depictions of the head dresses being worn in battle. Thanks

[badhand]

Hello, Is it not possible to post photos any more on this site? Thank you

[zschippcher]

Jul 21, 2013 16:11:24 GMT -5 badhand said:

Anyways, the Northern Cheyenne did not have any Dog Men or Dog Soldiers, they had "Crazy Dog Society" totally different regalia , songs etc. The Dog Men (Soldiers) were in S Cheyenne only.

Hello badhand,

I'm not sure that's correct. Between 1838 and 1869 the Dog Men were an independent group located between the Northern and Southern Cheyenne, consisting of people from the North and the South. Dull Knife for example was a member of the Dog band in the 1840s. I think that the Southern portion was greater and increased with the joining of the Southern Masikota band in 1849. At that point, the Dog band also became a Southern band in the traditional camp circle. After Summit Springs, most of the Dog men migrated South, but Tangle Hair and his group joined the Northern Cheyenne, with whom they battled the army during the Dull Knife march towards the North in 1878/1879. Most of the Northern Dog men lost their lives, as a consequence of which the society likely dissipated. In the South, the Dog men were a strong traditional part of the tribe all the way to the reservation period. I'm looking for sources relevant to the period before 1838 and clear evidence that the Dog men were only a Southern Cheyenne society, taking into account the fact that the gradual separation of Northern and Southern Cheyenne did not begin until after 1832. Thanks for your ideas.

Regards
André

[cinemo]

In the second half of the 19th century, among the Northern Cheyenne tribe were only three warrior societies present, the Elk Warriors, the Crazy Dogs and Fox Warriors.

The Dog Warrior Society was established by a directive given in a visionary dream after the prophet Sweet Medicine’s departure. This society was originally found in both the Northern and the Southern Cheyenne. Sometime, I suppose, about 1840 to 1850 among the northern Cheyenne tribe, the Dog Warriors and the former Wolf Warriors( see Note ) merged, and developed the Crazy Dogs.

This was stated by Wooden Leg ( born 1858 ) :

„The Elk warriors, the Crazy Dog warriors and the Fox warriors were the ruling societies of the Northern Cheyennes. Other like organizations had been in existence before my time, but during all of the period of my boyhood and manhood those three were the only active ones in our northern branch of the double tribe“ ( See Wooden Leg, Marquis, page 56 )

Note. Wolf Warriors ( Northern Cheyenne) and Bowstring Men ( Southern Cheyenne ) were the same Society ( Grinnell )

cinemo

[badhand]

Dietmar, Is there a way for me to post photos on this forum and thread? I personally examined the Tall Bull headdress in detail and took many photos of it. I also matched up the headdress to an almost identical one in a small museum in Wyoming, which I also examined and took photos of.
I think I could add some positive things to the history and knowledge of the Tall Bull Headdress.
Thank you, Michael

[Dietmar]

Michael,

great to have you here. I´m sorry I haven´t seen your first request in this thread.

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