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Post by frenchman on Jan 20, 2024 4:32:04 GMT -5
Greatings from france !
If possible and for my own work I would like to know the band of belonging of several Hunkpapa chiefs or headmen :
1) Grindstone (Izuzu )
2)Good Hawk who was part of the 1872 delegation in washington
3) Lodge Pole and Little Knife : They crossed the line to Canada in november 1876 at the head of 57 lodges following Sitting Bull and Iron Dog
Best regards !
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Post by kingsleybray on Jan 21, 2024 6:14:17 GMT -5
I think the majority of the first group to go to Canada in fall 1876 was of the Talonapin or Raw Meat Necklace tiyospaye. Little Knife I'm fairly sure belonged to Talonapin, I'm not sure about Lodge Pole. This is a topic I'm hoping to research in coming weeks.. Band composition of the Lakotas going to Canada in 1877.
The last group crossing the line in spring 1877 was about 135 lodges of Hunkpapa, Sans Arc, Miniconjou and Oglala led overall by Sitting Bull. The Hunkpapa were about 45 lodges, like this:
(a) Icira, Sitting Bull
(b) Talonapin, Pretty Bear (wakicunze)
(c) Siksicela, No Neck (wakicunze).
Each about 15 lodges give or take.
Hope this helps.
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Post by frenchman on Feb 22, 2024 5:23:53 GMT -5
Thank you for reply mr Bray , I am happy to learn that No Neck belong to the Siksicela because before your post I had him as a member of the Kiglaska under Loud Voice Hawk !
I had read also elsewhere that No Neck succeeded to Loud Voice Hawk after his death in 1968 ! It is not clear for me because I had also read that after the death of LVH many members of his band went to other bands ! So I am a little lost !
Best Regards
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Post by kingsleybray on Feb 23, 2024 7:41:05 GMT -5
The assignment of No Neck to Kiglaska was a educated guess on my part but proved wrong. I have been told directly by a very knowledgeable Lakota elder that No Neck belonged to Siksicela. The rest of my reconstruction, that the Kiglaska band chief until 1868 was Loud Voiced Hawk, was confirmed. LVH was killed accidentally, falling from horseback into his own knife. I have been told that holy man Black Moon, Sun Dance Intercessor for the Hunkpapa from 1856,married into Kiglaska and was resident in that band.
Hope this helps.
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