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Post by grahamew on Apr 2, 2023 6:33:44 GMT -5
These are by Iron Tail; the muslin is owned by the Buffalo Bill Museum and Grave; unfortunately, I haven't seen the rest of it. The depiction of the policeman/soldier at left of the bottom image would suggest some of the events at least are from around 1890. You can see this sort of uniform in the photo of Charles Taylor's Oglala Scouts taken at the time of the Ghost Dance, though none of these men are wearing the caped coat: This muslin, also Lakota, is currently at the Donald Ellis Gallery site www.donaldellisgallery.com/offerings/plains/pictorial-muslin-p4436 Amongst the more traditional images of inter-tribal fighting, note the two men dressed as scouts/soldiers on the right (presumably from a much later event) - not a million miles away from the representation on the Iron Tail muslin and in keeping with the men in the Taylor photo. A few details: Below is a muslin from Cowan's that I'd already posted. amertribes.proboards.com/thread/3135/muslins-on-cowans The colour palette and drawing style looks similar to that on the Ellis Gallery muslin above. Again - notice the man dressed as a scout/soldier at the right I'll repost the details: Note the Kit Fox Society regalia of one of the warriors Muslin tipi door collected at Standing Rock - another work by Jaw? americanindian.si.edu/collections-search/objects/NMAI_131652
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Post by grahamew on Apr 2, 2023 12:10:39 GMT -5
Both of these are said to be Blackfoot. Yeah... right. Maybe Blackfoot Lakota. Both of these - same artist - can be found on various sites where you can download images or pay for versions at a higher resolution. Unfortunately, it's tough to make out what's going on, but that looks to be a Crow head moving right to left in the bottom image and I'm wondering if the top image shows a Crow attack on a Lakota village. Anybody know the muslin that they're from? The attitude of the man in the bonnet reminds me of figures in another - non-Lakota - image I know of.
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Post by Californian on Apr 2, 2023 12:33:41 GMT -5
hi Grahame, thanks for sharing these images. I wonder what that square represents - possibly a log cabin ?
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Post by grahamew on Apr 3, 2023 6:06:58 GMT -5
Could be - could be some post-1880 event, I suppose, or it represents some other kind of enclosure. Here's a drawing by Pretty Eagle that reminds me of the figures in the image above:
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Post by Californian on Apr 3, 2023 11:42:26 GMT -5
thanks Grahame - and thanks for sharing the Pretty Eagle drawing. Of course on paper medium the renditions appear far denser than on the porous muslin. I believe to remember that there was some limited post 1880 intertribal raiding if that rectangular structure indeed was a permanent fixture such as a cabin. Perhaps a raid of the Canadian Lakota exiles against the Assiniboines at Fort Peck ?
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Post by grahamew on Apr 4, 2023 4:14:04 GMT -5
I've certainly read about (Canadian) Blackfoot and Crow raiding each other for horses well into the 1880s and, I think, Yankton and Yanktonai crossing the border to steal horses (and no doubt have them stilen them from them)
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Post by grahamew on Apr 4, 2023 8:39:37 GMT -5
Not a tipi liner, just a drawing on muslin: Lakota Omaha Dance Reminds me of Bad Heart Bull's work, but this artist draws the roaches differently and BHB's Grass Dancers always have the front flap of the breechclout hanging outside the belt. A Lakota muslin from around 1900 - you can see pats of the frame it's been put in. Looks like the work of Kills Two... and if not, it's an excuse to post these, none of which are on muslin and all seem to date from the early 20th century: Pawnee and Sioux in battle Crow Indian and Sioux - you'll notice that's Man Afraid of his Horses Symbol;ic confrontation between Crazy Horse and Custer Sioux warrior with sabre attacking Crow Indian Red Walker bested by Crows Horse Dance Mounted Sioux attacking Pawnee with sabre Hunting buffalo
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Post by grahamew on May 7, 2023 12:37:30 GMT -5
Whether this is a tipi/cabin liner or not, I don't know. It's from the Chicago History Museum and is entitled Flight to Canada - and it's attributed to the Lakota. images.chicagohistory.org/search/?searchQuery=siouxThis is the best resolution I can find. I'm assuming, perhaps inorrectly, that the Lakota are those I've marked: So... the man with the dark hat and feather; the man in front of him with some kind of hood and maybe 'savers' over his leggings; the two in front of him with loose hair, one having scalped an enemy; the man at top left with some kind of headgear that's not clear; the man at lower right attacking two enemies. The other men seem to have the iconic Crow hairstyle, yet in places, they appear to be shooting each other, unless some are Nez Perce...
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Post by Californian on May 7, 2023 12:46:30 GMT -5
interesting depictions, if it wasn't for the title under which it is catalogued with, on first impression I would have thought it depicted a horse stealing scene. Indeed there is a section where similarly attired figures seem to shoot at each other - a handful of Nez Perce were with the Lakota in Canada for a while. If the provenance is known it might allow to have a better idea of what this really represents
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Post by grahamew on May 7, 2023 13:58:11 GMT -5
Yep. I expect we have to question the origin of the initial description.
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Post by grahamew on May 8, 2023 16:51:59 GMT -5
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Post by shan on May 9, 2023 9:24:26 GMT -5
grahamhew
I wonder if that last image you put up ~ the don't know where this one came from image, might refer to the running off the greys during the battle of the Little Big Horn. All but two of the cavelry mounts appear to greys, so it maybe a possibilty.
Shan
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Post by grahamew on May 9, 2023 10:51:17 GMT -5
grahamhew I wonder if that last image you put up ~ the don't know where this one came from image, might refer to the running off the greys during the battle of the Little Big Horn. All but two of the cavelry mounts appear to greys, so it maybe a possibilty. Shan You're right. My bad. I should have checked Rod's book to begin with. It's a section of one of Standing Bear's drawings of LBH; this one, to be exact: www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/717548Here's another - though easier to access: firstperson.philbrook.org/#
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Post by grahamew on May 12, 2023 13:54:01 GMT -5
Wounded Face, Mandan So... at the top right, is that a female warrior with a crooked lance on a wounded enemy? And... next to her, is that another woman (or, perhap, berdache, judging by the hairstyle) carrying a wounded man on her back? Berthold police. Wounded Face, third from left, 1886. Supposedly Kiowa or Lakota... Red Fish, Lower Yanktonai collections.si.edu/search/detail/edanmdm:NMAI_248188?q=Red+Fish+Sioux&record=28&hlterm=Red%2BFish%2BSioux&inline=trueRed Fish, Lower Yanktonai collections.si.edu/search/detail/edanmdm:NMAI_248193?q=Red+Fish+Sioux&record=30&hlterm=Red%2BFish%2BSioux&inline=trueRed Fish - David F. Barry, mid-1880s Arikara? Supposedly depicting scenes from Little Bighorn Lakota collections.si.edu/search/detail/edanmdm:nmnhanthropology_8405031?q=sioux+muslin&record=5&hlterm=sioux%2Bmuslin&inline=trueLakota White Swan, Crow White Swan, Crow (at the Heard Museum) White Swan by Richard Throssel, early 1900s See amertribes.proboards.com/thread/3381/ilaachia-white-swan-rod-thomaswww.waterstones.com/book/biilaachia-white-swan/rodney-g-thomas/9781476685946core.ac.uk/download/pdf/268802563.pdfwww.academia.edu/45563106/White_Swan_On_Possible_Further_Additions_to_the_Oeuvre_of_a_Crow_Warrior_Artist
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Post by grahamew on May 15, 2023 14:05:40 GMT -5
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