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Post by mtnshp on Apr 25, 2022 11:03:12 GMT -5
Hi, I am looking for some information and possibly pictures on William Gardiner/Gardner/Gardinear 1800-1847 who was married to White Thunder Woman aka Louise White Thunder Woman. She was the mother of Rocky Bear and Black Tiger. William would be my 5th Great Grandfather and White Thunder Woman would be my 5th Great Grandmother.
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Post by rawhide on Apr 27, 2022 10:36:16 GMT -5
Hi there! There is very little on him in the books Reshaw by Jefferson Glass and Portraits of the Upper Platte by John D McDermott that otherwise have a lot of information on John Richard. If You cant access those I could post the little there is if needed.
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Post by mtnshp on Apr 28, 2022 20:23:05 GMT -5
Hello, Thank you! I just bought the digital book on my grandfather Reshaw: The Life and times of John Baptiste Richard by Jefferson Glass a couple of weeks ago. So far it has been an interesting read about times back then. If you could post on the 2nd one I would greatly appreciate that, as finding anything on William has been a difficult task. Maybe I am not looking in the right placed 😅
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Post by chadron on Apr 29, 2022 13:48:16 GMT -5
There is little on William Gardiner that I can find.. the most so far I have found is from the book Reshaw by Jefferson Glass. I am descended from John Srs brother Joseph Richard. This is from the book by Glass.
"Mary Gardiner was the daughter of William Gardiner, a white trader, and White Thunder Woman of the Northern Oglala Sioux. After her marriage to Gardiner, the tribe disowned White Thunder Woman who died when Mary was just an infant. At the request of her Sioux relatives, Mary was raised with her two-half brothers, Rocky Bear and Black Tiger, in the same village as her cousin Red Cloud. Descendants say that William Gardiner took Mary away to Rulo, Nebraska, as a young girl. Her Sioux relatives kidnapped her, but Gardiner managed to get her back and took her to St. Charles, Missouri, where she stayed with members of the Pourier family and attended school. When her father returned to the Indian country to trade in 1841, he took Mary with him." Page 44
Source note: pg 52 note 20.
"White Thunder Woman was a sister of Red Cloud's mother. She was first married to a Sioux warrior who was reportedly killed in battle against the Pawnees. Mary Gardiner was born somewhere along the Yellowstone River in what is now Montana on April 5, 1823. Some sources cite Rosebud, daughter of Conquering Bear, as Mary Gardiner's mother. William Gardiner is believed to have died around 1845. B. Jones, Those Wild Reshaw Boys, 6, 41; McDernott, "John Baptiste Richard" in Mountain Men, 2:293; Gilbert, Big Bat Pourier, 11, 33-34.
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Post by rawhide on May 30, 2022 4:32:46 GMT -5
Sorry it took so long but here is the little that could be found from the Portraits of the Upper Platte by John D. McDermott, other than was given above. Page 52. "Mary was born in the Yellowstone River region on April 9, 1827, the daughter of William Gardiner, a trader and businessman rumored to be the nephew of William Clark, and White Thunder Woman, an Oglala Lakota of Smoke's band and a niece of Red Cloud. Her Indian name was translated as Butterfly." Note the difference in birth date. Where the rumour of him being the nephew of W Clark comes from is not given. Somekind of a clue though?
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