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Post by jeroen on Oct 7, 2009 11:38:44 GMT -5
I think it is a Rinehart photo, although the handwriting is different... meanwhile this one is definitely Rinehart, it show Takes the gun, sometimes called Shorty: and two Curtis pics for comparison:
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Post by jinlian on Nov 1, 2009 3:20:35 GMT -5
Bull Goes Hunting (most probably late 1890s)
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Post by jinlian on Nov 5, 2009 3:42:21 GMT -5
Curley with Mrs. Crawford, Anna Petzoldt and unknown woman, early 1900
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Post by jeroen on Nov 5, 2009 8:19:54 GMT -5
Love the Bull goes hunting portrait! Meanwhile, I found a Curley picture I do not recall having seen here before:
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Post by jinlian on Nov 6, 2009 7:50:44 GMT -5
The above photo is a portrait by Fred Miller - I remember having seen it, maybe in the LBH boards. Here's a another photograph of Curley, taken at the 1903 Sheridan fair:
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Post by tipifan on Nov 6, 2009 8:15:53 GMT -5
The above photo is a portrait by Fred Miller - I remember having seen it, maybe in the LBH boards. It's in Field O'Connor's "Fred E. Miller: Photographer of The Crows" (1985), plate 64.
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Post by jinlian on Nov 6, 2009 10:03:39 GMT -5
Thank you, TIpifan. Here's another one from the McCracken collection: Crow man with war paint and stuffed bird on hair-top. I've a strong feeling to have seen another picture of this man. Two Whistles sounds like a too-easy guess, though.
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Post by tipifan on Nov 6, 2009 11:08:43 GMT -5
But a correct guess nonetheless! Here's some more Curtis photographs showing Two Whistles. Attachments:
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Post by jinlian on Nov 6, 2009 11:35:02 GMT -5
Yes, having a closer look, the arm could be missing, not just hidden...
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Post by jinlian on Nov 6, 2009 12:04:12 GMT -5
Well, it was silly of me not to check that detail right away...In the Sword Bearer outbreak (1887) Two Whistles was shot in the arm and breast, and his arm was amputated above the elbow (source: E.S. Curtis, The North American Indian).
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Post by jeroen on Nov 7, 2009 3:55:35 GMT -5
Jinlian, I once read (don't recall where) that Two Whistles was somehow related to Medicine Crow, is that so? Also, I came across this "Curly" picture:
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Post by jinlian on Nov 7, 2009 7:54:40 GMT -5
HI Jeroen, I don't remember reading of Two Whistles and Medicine Crow's kinship, they belonged to different clans (Medicine Crow to the Newly Made Lodges and Two Whstles to the Not Mixed one) which means that their mothers weren't related, but of course,they could have been related by paternal side. I'll check that later.
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Post by tipifan on Nov 7, 2009 16:34:38 GMT -5
Also, I came across this "Curly" picture: Curly? Bird-On-The-Ground immediately comes to my mind: same racecourse, same horse with same trappings, same ermine shirt, same coupstick, same little purse as on that famous photograph of Bird-On-The-Ground on the horse (a bit overdressed on that photo, with gun case, bandoleer bag. Even the same bonnet is hanging down from the horse's back, behind Bird OTG.
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Post by jeroen on Nov 8, 2009 4:15:58 GMT -5
Hi Tipifan, I agree it is not Curly (it does not look like him at all), that's why I used the quotation marks... It is incorrectly identified in the right corner below, just did not know who it actually is...
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Post by jinlian on Nov 8, 2009 5:39:14 GMT -5
A comparison between a well-known portrait of Bird-on-the-Ground by Curtis (left) and the "Curley" bogus At a first glance, they look as different individuals, but of course we will need a better view of "Curley"'s facial details to be sure.
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