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Post by Dietmar on Mar 7, 2018 10:59:53 GMT -5
A member of the LBHA forum has found a picture from a ledger showing a peace treaty between the Crows and the Cheyenne. He ask me to post the picture here and writes: The Cheyenne warrior carries a saber, which is odd, but from my experiences with ledgers this may be a correct portrayal. We know that Yellow Nose owned a saber which he used in battle at LBH.
This is the thread, lbha.proboards.com/thread/5332/ledger-show-yellow-nose and this is the picture in question: Does anyone know more about this ledger drawing? More about Yellow Nose here: amertribes.proboards.com/thread/2083/photos-tabernash-sam-yellow-nose |
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Post by grahamew on Mar 7, 2018 12:32:16 GMT -5
There is, in Powell pp 1120-21, a ledger drawing showing a Cheyenne leader meting with three Crow (or maybe Nez Perce) leaders. Powell explains that the Cheyenne were ordered to make peace with the Crow by Miles after Little Wolf and Dull Knife returned north - or it depicts a Cheyenne trying to convince the Nez Perce to surrender. The man in the Powell book is dressed in cloth shirt, waistcoat, dark stroud blanket and leggings and has neither warbonnet nor sabre. I haven't seen a ledger drawing of Yellow Nose wearing a bonnet like this - I think it's a sacred one horn bonnet. He's unnamed but Powell speculates he may be Brave Wolf if this does show a meeting between the Cheyenne and the Nez Perce. As for the sabre... there are a number of photos and ledger drawings depicting Indians with them, sometimes, I suspect, more a sign of their standing rather than as a weapon; certainly, some warrior societies amongst the Lakota adopted them as a badge of office - though some drawings show them being used to count coup. The depictions of yellow Nose I've seen in ledger don't show him with this face paint
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Post by grahamew on Mar 10, 2018 5:58:46 GMT -5
For what it's worth, here is the companion piece from the same ledger showing another headman (this time with a whip as his badge of office) meeting the Crow/Nez Perce:  |
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Post by nicolas (carlo) on Mar 10, 2018 7:33:08 GMT -5
What strikes me is that there are two 'battle lines' formed on either side (the first pictograph has the Crows on the right, the second on the left), from which we can conclude that this was during a fight/battle or stand-off (as opposed to a peace delegation or treaty.) This in turn leds me to believe these are not Crows, but New Perces, as mentioned by Grahame, during the New Perce War of 1877. I am less knowledgeable about this episode of the Indian Wars, but several N.Cheyennes fought as scouts for the US then (note the US flag in the Cheyenne leaders hat in the second pictograph!) From what I do know about the Crow-Cheyenne wars, there has not been a peace-making event during any battle.
Btw, yes, sabres were indeed a badge of office in some Cheyenne & Lakota warrior societies.
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Post by nicolas (carlo) on Mar 11, 2018 2:27:54 GMT -5
Following the assumption that this was during the Nez Perce War of 1877, I conclude that the pictographs depict the exchange that took place during the Bear Paw siege in late September-early October.
At the request of Miles, three N.Cheyenne scouts approached the Nez Perce camp and shook hands with three Nez Perces (names not recorded, could be that Chief Joseph was one of them.) This was one of several efforts to get the Nez Perces to talk with Miles. The three Cheyennes were Young Two Moon, High Wolf, and Starving Elk; it seems that two of these men are depicted in the pictographs.
The other N.Cheyenne scouts (of around thirty in total) were Warbonnet, Brave Wolf, Old Wolf, White Wolf, Elk Show His Horns, Crazy Mule, Timber, Magpie Eagle, Hail, Big Head, Tall White Elk, Little Sun, Medicine Top, Little Old Man, Ridge Bear, White Bear, White Bird, Little Yellow, Yellow Weasel, Stands Different, Sahuts, and Bear Robe.
(source is Young Two Moon)
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Post by grahamew on Mar 11, 2018 4:11:32 GMT -5
If my memory is correct, the other drawing - the one in Powell - depicts three Nez Perce (or Crow...) leaders meeting with a Cheyenne (who, by his dress, is neither of the men above), so that would fit rather well. Does anyone have a scan of this???
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Post by rodthomas on Mar 12, 2018 12:40:03 GMT -5
First, I agree the event in question is with the Nez Perce and more than likely during the 1877 campaign. Second, Yellow Nose went south with the Northern Cheyenne when they were sent to Oklahoma. He stayed there the rest of his life. He is not part of this event. Third, he was never associated with the single horn bonnet. Father Powell gives two possible events this particular drawing captures. Making the peace directed by Miles once the Cheyenne returned north (sans Yellow Nose) or the 1877 contact by Cheyenne scouts with Nez Perce scouts. See Powell, People of the Sacred Mountain, Volume II, page 1120-1121. The ledger containing the drawing on the LBHA list is at this link: collections.si.edu/search/results.htm?q=set_name:%22Book+of+drawings+by+anonymous+Cheyenne+artists+ca.+1880s%22. Kos, from PIS, knew right where to go. I was looking at the Black Horse Ledger in the Field and the Crazy Dog Ledger at USMA. More study is needed but sure looks like the work of the same man in all three...something to take up once White Swan is done. Swords as gifts and trade items were popular starting with both French and Spanish contacts and continued with the English. Besides society insignia, they were also used in combat. A quick thumb-through of most any Cheyenne art will be instructive as to their use and availabilities. Hope all is well and please have a great day. PS. Imry Nagy is the best source for Yellow Nose that I know. He helped me a lot! Attachments:
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Post by grahamew on Mar 12, 2018 13:47:24 GMT -5
Thanks for posting the image, Rod.
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Post by grahamew on Apr 8, 2020 13:50:51 GMT -5
Another image - a copied one - from John G. Bourke's collection  High Wolf - first in Nez Perce camp And another; this time Bear Rope meeting a Nez Perce:  This is also from Bourke's collection and is a copied image |
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Post by rodthomas on Apr 18, 2020 9:34:59 GMT -5
Grahamew, Is there an online repository of Bourke's ledger/artwork? I can't seem to find it except in bits and pieces. These two I've never seen and are important in a current research effort. Thanks and hope all is well!
Regards, Rod...
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Post by grahamew on Apr 18, 2020 12:16:18 GMT -5
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Post by shan on Apr 19, 2020 5:32:03 GMT -5
grahamew,
thanks for posting that link, there's some wonderful stuff on there that I've never seen before, especially those drawings by Yellow Nose.
I seem to remember hearing somewhere that he'd made many more drawings than the ones we're all familar with, the ones depicting his deeds at the battle of Little Big Horn, but in some ways these are even more interesting.
Unfortunately, I am not adept, or skilful enough to be able to enlarge the images to really examine them, which is frustrating, any suggestions? Otherwise, do you know if any of them have been published, or can be found online elsewhere?
Hope you are keeping well during this awful time.
Shan ~ Low Dog
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Post by grahamew on Apr 19, 2020 14:09:41 GMT -5
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Post by shan on Apr 20, 2020 4:42:25 GMT -5
grahamew
you've probably tried this yourself, but I've found that by saving the image to the desktop, and then opening them in preview, I can then up the DPI to 300, and the size to around 11 by 7 inches which gives me an image that I can then examine to my hearts content. One can also fiddle around with the colour brightness and such like, but a word of warning, don't sharpen the image too much, as it puts it out of focus.
Shan
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Post by grahamew on Apr 20, 2020 7:56:26 GMT -5
Thanks. I'll check that out!
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