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Post by Dietmar on Feb 15, 2013 14:30:40 GMT -5
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Post by Henri on Feb 16, 2013 3:40:04 GMT -5
If you mean the ghost shirt...NO!! They were made around 1889-90, CH past away much earlier...
For the other items I have my doubts to..
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Post by Henri on Feb 16, 2013 6:52:24 GMT -5
Sorry to say but this isn't a Warshirt but a Ghostshirt....
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Post by Henri on Feb 16, 2013 6:55:18 GMT -5
If you read the second line, Buechels Autographed Object Tag, it says Ghostshirt, and that it is.
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Post by kingsleybray on Feb 16, 2013 9:02:45 GMT -5
that's definitely a Ghost Shirt of the kind made during the Ghost Dance of 1890. Crazy Horse was long dead when that shirt was made. The other thing, if you check the catalog entries you will see that some of the items are attributed to Crazy Horse but they also include in longhand the Lakota version of the name. It reads Tasunke Heyoka, which actually means Clown Horse or Contrary Horse. Crazy Horse's own Lakota name was Tasunke Witko, of course. There was an Oglala with the name Tasunke Heyoka. He was one of the sons of Old Man Afraid of His Horse, and I think our board member Hin Tamaheca is a descendant. So I suspect that some of these great pieces really belonged to Contrary Horse.
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Post by gregor on Feb 16, 2013 10:48:13 GMT -5
I think Henri and Kingsley made the points. Buechel writes mostly of Tashunke Heyoka. I was at the Buechel Museum and was lucky to get a guided tour with one of the curators. I'm pretty sure if they'd had an assured item of the warrior icon CRAZY HORSE, they would have it on display and told so. Maybe Buechel was also too credulous (he often bought items!). E.g. the card for the item "Elk teeth and bone hair" (from 1930) says: "TAKEN FROM CHIEF CRAZY HORSE'S GRAVE" Hallo?  Another thought: The card for "Tatoka cinska (dipper)" says "[got it] from old man Tashunke Heyoka, who got it from his sister, the wife of Chief Crazy Horse". I'm pretty sure Buechel is talking of another Crazy Horse, not the warrior chief of LBH fame. |
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Post by cinemo on Feb 16, 2013 15:19:42 GMT -5
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Post by kingsleybray on Feb 16, 2013 15:24:14 GMT -5
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Post by philrob on Feb 17, 2013 6:05:52 GMT -5
Kingsley and all,
these are very clear and beautiful photographs. Great to see the details of this classic Ghost Shirt. Although made of muslin like most ghost shirts were the creator is clearly trying to imitate a traditional pre reservation hair fringed shirt. The red painted v around the neck is clearly a reference to the v shaped neck flaps on a traditional shirt. The pronghorns , at least among the Cheyenne, were tied around a horses neck to give it the speed and agility of an antelope.
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Post by gregor on Feb 18, 2013 14:49:12 GMT -5
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Post by ladonna on Feb 22, 2013 14:53:08 GMT -5
after working with muesum for many years the first thing you learn is they lie, if you see the name Crazy Horse-Sitting Bull ect... you know must of the items do not belong to these people.
So far i think Sitting Bull must have 10.000 pipes across the world
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