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Post by kayitah on Jun 22, 2010 22:25:20 GMT -5
In August 1880, Cibecue Apache chief Diablo and some tribal members were killed in a band feud with White Mountain Apaches of Alchesay's and Petone's band, and Cibecue Apaches from Pedro's band. Half a year later members of Diablo's band left the agency and moved to the northern region of the San Carlos Reservation to avenge his death. In another battle, Pedro was shot through both knees and Alchesay through the chest. Both of them survived, but Petone was fatally wounded and eventually died. source: An Apache nightmare: the battle at Cibecue Creek by Charles Collins Part of the trouble was a never-ending feud between the brother chiefs Miguel and Diablo on one side, and Pedro on the other side. When Miguel drove Pedro away from the Carrizo Creek in the 1850s, it started a feud that never ceased. Pedro and his Cibecue people got permission from the great White Mountain Apache chief Eshkeldasila to settle near later Fort Apache. Miguel, a very influental chief himself, was killed in 1874 during a feud with White Mountain Apaches. After that, Diablo took over leadership from his deceased older brother. source: Encyclopedia of Frontier Biography by Dan L. Thrapp Below are a couple images of the men named above. Unfortunately, I do not have a good photograph of Petone. If anyone has one, I'd highly appreciate to see it. Attachments:
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Post by kayitah on Jun 22, 2010 22:31:09 GMT -5
brother chiefs miguel (1872) and diablo (1876) Attachments:
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Post by kayitah on Jun 22, 2010 22:32:53 GMT -5
eshkeldasila (1872) and pedro (1872) Attachments:
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Post by kayitah on Jun 22, 2010 22:43:13 GMT -5
alchesay, probably 1880s Attachments:
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Post by kayitah on Jun 22, 2010 22:45:51 GMT -5
petone is the man wearing an army coat and a white hat - 2nd from left on first image; on horseback on second image. Attachments:
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Post by kayitah on Jun 22, 2010 22:48:44 GMT -5
unidentified Western Apache men - on left is probably Alchesay, the other one MAY be Petone Attachments:
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Post by naiches2 on Jun 24, 2010 9:17:35 GMT -5
May be this man is Uclenny, former scout and "sub-chief" of Pedro (cit. Collins Apache Nightmare, p258)
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Post by kayitah on Jun 24, 2010 16:13:19 GMT -5
I agree, it could very well be Uclenny. I think Uclenny was also present when Diablo was killed.
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Post by naiches2 on Jun 24, 2010 16:25:26 GMT -5
I agree, it could very well be Uclenny. I think Uclenny was also present when Diablo was killed. Yes, look at Collins Apache Nightmare, p10 : "By time cavalry from the fort arrived Diablo was dead, killed by Petone, Alchesay, and Uclenny of Pedro's band. A White Mountain chief, possibly Polone, was also killed ". Hard times - Hard manners.
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Post by Diane Merkel on Jun 28, 2010 13:46:34 GMT -5
Off topic, but your "bug" is a hoot!
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Post by naiches2 on Jun 29, 2010 2:37:38 GMT -5
thanks ;D
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Post by Second on Mar 13, 2011 13:33:43 GMT -5
Hello everyone, I just recvd an ISBN for my book and I have entered the last phase of publishing. My book is titled Second Jumper, searching for his bloodline. Written by Sigfried R. Second-Jumper. It has taken me 5 yrs to write it. It starts out with the surrendering of the Chiricahuas and their journey to Florida as prisoners of war. While in Florida, my great grandparents were separated from the bulk of the Tribe and shipped to Cuba. An event witnessed by other prisoners, and recorded in their oral history and songs. Also recorded and photographed by my family are my great grandparent’s arrival in Cuba, their struggles, sacrifices and accomplishments. Some of my great grandparent’s descendents began migrating to Florida, settling on the outskirts of the Florida Everglades. It was there that I discovered a Miccosukee Indian camp tucked deep in the swamps. Little did I know I was meeting the remnants of the only Unconquered Nation, The Florida Seminoles. In time I learned to master the art of breaking in horses, wrestling alligators, followed by 15 yrs of dancing and singing among them. These events were captured and will be shown with never before seen photographs. Through their encouragement, I along with my family set out on a trip across country, in search of our long lost Apache relatives. A long journey that started in St. Augustine, FL, Oklahoma, Arizona, ended at the Mescalero Apache Reservation in NM. Upon arrival at Mescalero, I was welcomed and accepted by ex-prisoners of war, the Chiricahuas and ultimately my long lost relatives. Unaware of my past tribal history, I was inaugurated into the medicine circle as a singer for the Chiricahua Crown Dancers. It was there, that I have and continue to learn the traditional ways of the Chiricahuas. After many years of loosing members and traditions, we all decided to record and preserve our ways along with our daily activities for future generations. For the first time ever, the reader will enter into the sacred tepee of the Crown dancers and learned what takes place prior to ceremonies. All of it has been done with the consent of all members. When the Seminoles learned that I was recording these stories, they asked me to include theirs as well. Some of these tales and photographs have been kept by members of both groups for decades as family treasures. I am honored to have been trusted to write them as they were told to me. All stories were reviewed by all participants prior to publishing to assure that they are told as they would want their great grandchildren to hear them. Unlike many or most books written about these two groups, this one is done from within. As a result, the participants felt comfortable revealing stories long suppress by fear and mistrust. There is only half a page of references and over 300 pages of the real stories of the Tigers of the Human race, the Chiricahua Apaches and the Only Unconquered Nation, the Florida Seminoles. I have dedicated my book to future Chiricahua and Seminole descendents but it really pertains to all humans as preserving their ancestral ways is just as important. I will keep you all posted as soon as my book is available.
Sincerely, Siggy Jumper
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