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Post by dedelen171 on Nov 19, 2020 22:27:23 GMT -5
But what does Mitch Bouyer's Indian name Kar-Pash mean? My daughter in law, Mitch's ggg granddaughter, pronounces her name Bouyer as Booyay.
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Post by dedelen171 on Feb 5, 2019 11:12:09 GMT -5
OSIYO, I AM ENGLISH AND RESEARCHING THE TSALAGI NATION, COULD ANYONE TELL ME WHAT PART OF AMERICA THE NATION USED TO LIVE BEFORE THE GOVERMENT MOVED THEM WEST, I KNOW THEY WERE NOT A PLAINS TRIBE BUT CAN NOT FIND OUT WHERE IN THE EAST THEY ORIGINATED FROM ANY HELP WOULD BE MOST GRATEFUL. WADO. the Cherokee were the most war like tribe in the Southeastern U.S. By the time White settlers came to the region, they were well established in the southern Appalachians, especially along the Tennessee/North Carolina border and their towns reached as far as North Georgia. They spoke Iroquois which was not like other tribes from the Southeast, such as the Creek peoples. Many scholars think they truly originated somewhere close to Maryland or West Virginia then moved south by the 15th century or so. But some have said they moved to the South earlier, so it's not completely clear. But, in the 1830's (? I think) the Cherokee who still lived in their traditional villages were removed by the government and forced west along the trail of tears to what was then, territory set up for Native tribes in Oklahoma. One group though, especially resisted and fled deeper into the mountains, where they still live today as the Eastern Band of Cherokee in North Carolina along the Qualla Boundary . But they lived in the Southeastern U.S. before being moved west. They didnt come up from South America or the Southwest and I have no freak'in idea at all why some posters have made such dubious claims. Coming from Tennessee, I know all too well about the trail of tears and the history of government removal of not only the Cherokee but also of the Creek and Seminoles as well, to Oklahoma on the trail of tears. Curiousanglo, I live in central Alabama and we had an excellent history teacher in my school days who really went into the history of the 5 SE or Civilized tribes. The government made not only the Cherokees go to OK but also the Creeks, Chocktaws, and Chickasaws. A sad state of affairs that. Pres. jackson who ordered it, turne on his Indian Allies who had helped him defeat the Creeks. I felt that was sorry as hell.
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Post by dedelen171 on Feb 5, 2019 11:00:49 GMT -5
My daughter n law ggg grandpa's Crow name was Kar-Pash. I would like to know what it means.
Thanks, David
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Post by dedelen171 on Feb 5, 2019 10:56:37 GMT -5
Almost a month has gone by and no new posting in the Apsaalooke thread? All these posts and comments are in 2010. Is this a dead board?
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Feb 5, 2019 10:49:45 GMT -5
Post by dedelen171 on Feb 5, 2019 10:49:45 GMT -5
whar died they get pID THEY SAID AT GRESS GRASS TEY ONLT TOOK THE SIOUX HORSE AND WENT TO THE BACK WHAT HAPPEN ? THEY HAD A CLIFT TO OBSERVE THE CAMP WHAT WAS IT WERE ANY SCOUT KILLED Your post was made in 2014, do you not post here any more?
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Post by dedelen171 on Feb 5, 2019 10:39:24 GMT -5
Hello, My daughtr in law Melynda Bouyer is the gr gr gr granddaughtr of Mitch Bouyer, the Crow scout and interpretre who died with Custer at the Little Big Horn. He was half French Canadian and his mom was Santee Sioux. He lived with the Crow and married a Crow woman, Magpie Outsid an from what the article said he was accepted into the Crow Tribe a year or two aftr marrying her. His Crow name was Kar-Pash. Can someone tell me what that means? Thanks, David Read more: amertribes.proboards.com/user/4090/recent#ixzz5efhS4JvJ
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Post by dedelen171 on Feb 3, 2019 19:51:38 GMT -5
My husband's grandmother was Mollie Rosebud Bouyer. Her father was George Bouyer, who was known to be a son of Mitch Bouyer and Magpie Outside. Mollie knew her grandmother, Magpie (Mary), and she knew that her grandfather was Mitch. We can't find any records of George as their son, but we know through the family that he was sent to Alabama by his family as a child and adopted to protect him from extermination. Does anyone have any records of his birth or anything showing his parents as Mitch and Magpie??? dandmforever are you on Ancestry? Send me your email at dedelen@elmore.rr.com and I will share any pics I have of the Bouyers, etc. George W. Bouyer and many of his descendants are buried at Everygreen cemetery in Elba, Al in Coffee Co. A I said my daughter in law's great grandpa was George's son Duke Drafton Bouyer. One of George's great grandsons was killed iin Viet Nam in 1969. Another one named Mitchell, who said on his FB page his real father wsa Mitchell Bouyer, grandson of Mitch Bouyer, moved to California and he and his sons and theri family's still live out there. I and one of them are friends on Facebook. I have recently asked about the Mitch Bouyer connection but he has not gotten back to me.
My daughter in law did he Ancestry DNA thing he other day and should get the results in a few weeks. We are excited about what the results will show. Not only her blood lines but also dna mathed family like the Bouyers, etc. Here is a pic of your husband's grandmother Molly Rosebud Bouyer. Not sure if you had. She was Mitch Bouyer's granddaughter, born in Elba, Al ai think in 1893 and died in 1971 in Orlando, Fla. . Of curse I can't post it. You can only do it from a URL but not upload from you computer. How backward this site is.
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Post by dedelen171 on Feb 3, 2019 19:37:09 GMT -5
My husband's grandmother was Mollie Rosebud Bouyer. Her father was George Bouyer, who was known to be a son of Mitch Bouyer and Magpie Outside. Mollie knew her grandmother, Magpie (Mary), and she knew that her grandfather was Mitch. We can't find any records of George as their son, but we know through the family that he was sent to Alabama by his family as a child and adopted to protect him from extermination. Does anyone have any records of his birth or anything showing his parents as Mitch and Magpie??? Hello again Dandmforever, I forgot to add that the Molly Rosebud Bouyer you spoke of was my dauhter in law's great grandfathr Duke Drafton Bouyer's sister. On our tree on Ancestry.com we have a pic of her and her husband, a Mr. Nolen, on their profile pics. She looks like she has some Indian n her, as do other descendents, my daughter in law and her mom and a great uncle included.
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Post by dedelen171 on Nov 16, 2018 14:37:07 GMT -5
If you're just interested in the book because of the photographs Henry Sharp took on the Crow Reservation, I can scan them for you and attach to my posts (who will move them to the appropriate folder?). So here's a scan of that group in Sheridan; I cropped most of the ground and sky and reduced file size but left the image size as big as possible. However, if you're interested in J.H. Sharp and his art as well, I'd really recommend buying the Fenn book. Hello Tipifan, We recently found out my daughter in law's ggg grandpa was Michel "Mitch" Bouyer, a Crow scout and interpreter for Col Custer and died with him at the Little Big Horn. He was half French Canadian and half Santee Sioux and married a Crow woman named Magpie Outside and lived with her people on the Crow reservation in Montana. His father was killed by the Sioux in 1863 and was adopted by the Crow Tribe there. I would love to see pics of the Crows and their reservation during the 1860s and 1870s. I have a pic supposedly him but on another thread here someone was saying that pics were not Mitch Bouyer (Crow name was Kar-Pash) but a Ute Indian. He showed evidently proof . But I would love to see any pics of Crows of his generation and that time period on the reservation, their homes, the way they dressed and lived. Thanks,
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Nov 13, 2018 22:37:35 GMT -5
Post by dedelen171 on Nov 13, 2018 22:37:35 GMT -5
My daughter in law's gr gr gr grandfather Mitch Bouyer was a Crow Scout that ws killed with Custer. Actually his father ws a French Canadian trapper who was killed by the sioux but his mother was a Santee Sioux. He married a Crow named Magpie Outside and lived with the Crow and they adopted him into their tribe. He could speak Crow, Sioux and was also and enterpreter. Sad that he died with Custer.
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Post by dedelen171 on Nov 13, 2018 22:00:55 GMT -5
Thank you for the good news, Rod. I´m glad the DPL has corrected the identifications. The Denver Public Library online archives remain one of my favorite sources for research. So greetings to the staff members, if they ever read this. So the pic of Mitch Bouyer is not him then? Thank y'all. My daughter in law is a direct descendant through Mitch's son George W Bouyer who was adopted out to Alabama to keep the Sioux from killing him as they did Mitch's dad.
Thanks y'all for all this info on that pic.
Dave
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Post by dedelen171 on Nov 13, 2018 21:58:56 GMT -5
digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15330coll22/id/20646/rec/223 is now listed correctly as Acapore and digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15330coll22/id/19383/rec/94 is now correctly listed as White Man Runs Him. Thanks to all for the research and evidence. The DPL staff were most helpful in verifying and then correcting the image identifications. Regards, Rod Thomas.... Rod, so the famous pic of supposed Mitch Boyer is not him? What about a group pic I saw on google that namec him on that pic? My daughter in law is a direct descendant of Mitch Bouyer's thought his son who was sent to and adopted out in Alabama to a white doctor. Manyof George W. Bouyer and his descenants are buried in Elba, Coffee Co, Alabama. If that pic is not Mitch, I will remove it from our family tree on Ancestry.com.
Thanks, Dedelen171
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Post by dedelen171 on Nov 13, 2018 21:51:25 GMT -5
I have just come from the Oglala message board, where I was told that Mitch Bouyer was 1/2 Santee. He is said to have lived with his mother's people when he was a child. That brings me to my question. In 1865 (about June) he was with a group of about 4 or 5 Whites when he was attacked by a group of Sioux (article said Platte Sioux), but he seemed to know one or more in the tribe as it (The article) said they played together as children. That did little to save him as he was wounded but made it back, while one White was killed. All the rest of the group was either wounded or not but all got away. Is there anyone who can identify this group of Indians, or is there anyone alive who descends from Mitch Bouyer. I believe he had a son and a couple of daughters. This article came from a contemporary edition of the Montana Post. Thanks Hello Longshot,
You were asking if there were any Mitch Bouyer descendants alive. My daughter in law is a direct descendant of Mitch Bouyer. He had at least two kids I know of, one a boy, George W. Bouyer born 1870 at the Crow Reservation in Montana was shipped off to South Alabama. The story goes since the Sioux had killed Mitch's father Jean Baptist Bouyer in 1863 and all that was going on he ws afraid he son would be killed too so he shipped him to Alabama to be adopted out to a white Doctor. George and many of his family and descendants are buried in a cemetery in Elba, Coffee Co, Alabama. George's sister Mary married I think a Crow Indian named Lttle Nest. I think her name was changed to LaForge or something like that. But back to Mitch, he was a half breed; French Canadian father and Santee Sioux mom. He married Mapie Outside and lived with the Crow. After two yeas hey adopted him into the tribe I read. My daughter in law is swarthy and dark headed and black eyed. I have told her many times I believe she had Indian blood in her *we only recently found all this out about Michel "Mitch" Bouyer recently via following hints, etc on Ancestry.com. I am going to pay for her to get a DNA kit. He mother although blue eyed is naturally dark too or tanned like with Native feature and straigh dark hair. I added all this to my tree on ancestry and a relative sent me a pic of two of Mitch's grandkids through George (I wish I knew Georg's indian name), Molley Rosebud Bouyer and also a great grandson though George's son Mitch Bouyer. I added those pics to my tree on ancestry. I will try to attach them here. I can't, URL only and won't let me upload from my computer.
Anyway, I hope this helps. Oh, also, down below in other comments the one guy was saying that the pic of Mitch is not him but a Ute musician. I wish I knew the truth of that. If I thought it really was not him I will take it down from my tree.
Dedelen171
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