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Post by lgarcia on Jun 7, 2013 16:50:21 GMT -5
I am surprised nobody commented on these names. Zuya= war, war party; tehila= terrible, tough, difficult.
Ta = his or her;sunke= Horse; Witko= wild, crazy.
Cetan = hawk; Wa = snow?; miniyomni = whirlwind, dust devil.
Mato= grizzly bear; najin = stand.
Unkcehiha = magpie; Ska = white.
Mato = bear; niya = breathing, living; luta = scarlet.
Cetan = hawk; Iyotake = to sit.
Mato = bear; wanapeya = drive away, chase away, scare away.
Running Deer (Tahca = deer; Inyanka = to run)
Little Shield (wahacanka = shield; cikala = little)
Cetan= hawk; Luta = scarlet.
Wakinyan = Thunder; Ohanko = quick, fast.
Wiyaka = feather, ---?
Kangi = raven, Crow, Wambli = eagle.
Kisuna = braid; sni = no.
Wahacanka = shield, Ska = white.
Cetan = hawk, Wakantuya = high above.
Pte = bison cow; Wakan = holy, sacred; najin = to stand.
Wakinyan = thunder; witko = crazy.
Itkam = seed? Inyanke = to run.
Mato = bear; Hunka = honored one.
kagisu iyanke ?
Anyone want to fill in the missing names? Louie
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Post by kingsleybray on Jun 7, 2013 17:09:18 GMT -5
Louis, I think that last mysterious name is Kagisni iyanke, Runs Fearless.
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Post by carlo on Jun 7, 2013 17:46:20 GMT -5
Thank you Louie, for this very helpful analysis of the names and proper translations. It has been a while since I posted the question, but good things come to those who wait!
Re. Iktaminyanke: I believe this should be Iktomi Inyanke, Running Spider.
And I agree with Kingsley on Runs Fearless.
Carlo
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Post by lgarcia on Jun 10, 2013 10:58:10 GMT -5
I realized I made a mistake with whirlwind (Wamniyomni) just as I posted it. My ride arrived and I didn't have time to correct it. I know of two men with the name Ptewakannajin. One was a Sisseton and the other a Yankton (there is a photo of this Chief). Now we have a third one - a Lakota. Louie
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Post by emilylevine on Jun 14, 2013 23:31:00 GMT -5
I think you can still buy the set pretty cheap from the Milwaukee Public Museum
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Post by peter on Jun 5, 2017 12:09:44 GMT -5
Here is one of the Red Hawk ledger drawings that is not in the collection of the MPM anymore. It is unfortunately a redrawn copy, but fascinating nonetheless. “Crow Kills One Sioux and is Killed by Sioux - Cetanluta (Red Hawk)”The dramatic drawing depicts Cetan Luta, Red Hawk, in battle with the Crows. Red Hawk kills the Crow warrior who just shot and killed his comrade next to him. The resolution is too low to read the comrade's name in the top left corner. Carlo
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Post by peter on Jun 5, 2017 12:12:03 GMT -5
Here is one of the Red Hawk ledger drawings that is not in the collection of the MPM anymore. It is unfortunately a redrawn copy, but fascinating nonetheless. “Crow Kills One Sioux and is Killed by Sioux - Cetanluta (Red Hawk)”The dramatic drawing depicts Cetan Luta, Red Hawk, in battle with the Crows. Red Hawk kills the Crow warrior who just shot and killed his comrade next to him. The resolution is too low to read the comrade's name in the top left corner. Carlo Dear Carlo, could you tell me please if this image is Public Domain? and if it is not, could tell me who owns the copyrights. Sincerely Peter
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Post by peter on Jun 5, 2017 12:15:24 GMT -5
Carlo, here is a clearer image of the Red Hawk drawing. Regards, Rod... Hi Rod, could you please tell me if this drawings is Public Domain? and if it is not, could you tell me who owns the copyrights? Thank you very much Peter
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Post by peter on Jun 5, 2017 12:19:30 GMT -5
Carlo, here is a clearer image of the Red Hawk drawing. Regards, Rod... Dear Rod, Could you tell me if this drawings is under Public Domain and if it is could you tell me who owns the copyrights. Thank you very much Peter
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Post by allenc on Jun 5, 2017 14:00:15 GMT -5
All of the Red Hawk drawings that have been shown in this discussion are the plates that were re-drawn by Ben Hunt in the 1930s for the museum. The museum compiled portfolios of these re-drawings and offered them for sale, starting maybe in the late 1950s. Not sure of that date. I still have the set that I bought as a young teenager. The original Red Hawk ledger art is all on lined paper. Ben Hunt omitted the lines when he drew his plates. So any Red Hawk images not on lined paper are copies of the the Ben Hunt reproductions. Ben Hunt did not cover each of the original plates. Or, if he did, they were not included in the portfolios sold by the Museum. Actually he did a very credible job of reproducing the important parts of the Red Hawk drawings.
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Post by peter on Jun 5, 2017 14:46:41 GMT -5
Sorry, but I'm more confused than ever. Does this mean that these drawings can be published without asking permission to the Milwaukee public museum? So, you still have the set you bought as teenagers? Does your set have the same drawings of the Milwaukee museum? The drawings you have posted in this discussion are yours or belong to the museum? Sorry for the confusion I'm creating.
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Post by almont on Jun 5, 2017 15:01:56 GMT -5
Peter--(BTW, is this Peter G??) There is only one portfolio set from MPM as far as I know. The portfolio that the Museum sold does NOT include all of the pages of the original ledger. There are far more in the ledger than in the portfolio.
And I have not posted any of the portfolio drawings. If I could figure out how to post images to this site I would post a few of the original pages so that folks could see what they look like.
I certainly can't advise you about copyright.
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Post by peter on Jun 5, 2017 17:14:33 GMT -5
No Rod it is a different Peter. Thank you again. When you talk about the museum, are you referring to the Milwaukee Museum? If I read you correctly, are saying that portfolio sold by the museum is different from the ledger and the museum does not own those pictures anymore since it sold them? Can you post some old drawings from the portofolio? Is there any drawing of Crazy Horse? and the photo with Red Hawk killing the Crow who killed hois friend that you posted is not property of the museum? Thank you
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Post by rodthomas on Jun 6, 2017 5:46:19 GMT -5
Peter,
First our thanks to almont for the clarification on the reproductions sold at one time by the Milwaukee museum and the original ledger pages. The drawing I found in Phoenix was in fact NOT an original drawing but one of the reproductions. The difference is the reproductions were printed on unlined paper.
Suggest you contact the museum directly as to ownership, copyright, use, reproduction, etc.
I am on a research trip at the moment and will compare the copies for sale versus the images already posted on this thread when done. I think most if not all of them are posted but can't say for sure.
Regards, Rod Thomas...
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Post by allenc on Jun 6, 2017 13:32:05 GMT -5
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