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Post by wayanke on Mar 15, 2019 15:20:57 GMT -5
Hello! Thank you all for great information! What would you say about this photo? Attachments:
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Post by grahamew on Mar 16, 2019 5:24:34 GMT -5
It's a combination of a flipped image of the head from Goff's 1881 photo of Sitting Bull (one of a pair of the very first, since I suspect the Anderton photo shows a Blackfoot group) and a mid-80s(?) Goff photo of Curley, the Crow who scouted for Custer and escaped Little Bighorn (the rest of the body) - and it's not a new fake; Goff may have done this himself because it's been around ages.    Variations (sometimes with more feathers) have been used on cigarette cards and judging by the 'Fine Cut' text, it would seem that yours is also connected with tobacco advertising. I THINK the following is as old as 1888; if so, that gives you an idea of how long ago the composite photo was created.  This version dates from 1910:  |
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Post by gregor on Mar 16, 2019 12:54:06 GMT -5
Managed to find another illustration of the laying of the conerstone from Frank Leslie's Illustrated Newspaper:  Unfortunately, I can't read the text and the picture of Sitting Bull from the article is a sketch based on Goff's photo not one from his actual appearance at the event. Some more pix from the laying of the cornerstone celebration:  Bismarck station near landing, arrival of the Henry Villard party (Sept 1883)  Street Scene at Bismarck, the inscription on the arch says "Willkommen" (Welcome in German, Henry Villard, a German by birth, was accompanied by German celebrities)  The Sheridan Hotel at Bismarck, accommodation for Villard and his guests |
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Post by gregor on Mar 16, 2019 12:58:03 GMT -5
Some of my favorites, SB by Barry 1885 and Palmquist (1885)   |
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Post by grahamew on Mar 16, 2019 13:09:41 GMT -5
I wonder if that's him in the buggy at the far right of the photo...  |
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Post by wayanke on Mar 16, 2019 16:59:11 GMT -5
Thank you, I supposed that, and now I'm sure! May be you will tell a few words about this: I think this chief is not look like Sitting Bull?...
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Post by grahamew on Mar 17, 2019 5:17:54 GMT -5
No. Cody looks old here, so it's an early 1900s photo. I have - somewhere - a named image of the man, but I can't access it at the moment. I'm sure Dietmar or Gregor will beat me to it anyhow! Meanwhile, here's another photo with a clearer image:  |
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Post by Dietmar on Mar 17, 2019 6:15:09 GMT -5
I´m not sure... but doesn´t he look like Charging Thunder?
Btw, I think a son of John Nelson is kneeling second from left.
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Post by Dietmar on Mar 17, 2019 6:37:53 GMT -5
 He is identified in the Denver Public Library as Chief Rocky Bear, but that is obviously wrong. |
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Post by grahamew on Mar 17, 2019 8:41:45 GMT -5
If it is Charging Thunder, he looks a lot older than the 26 he was supposed to be in 1903 when he left the Wild West Show and stayed in Manchester in the UK.
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Post by Dietmar on Mar 17, 2019 10:25:54 GMT -5
Charging Thunder comparison:  The two portraits on the left have also been identified as Whirling Hawk. |
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Post by grahamew on Mar 17, 2019 11:38:48 GMT -5
It's him, but 26!!!? He looks even older in those photos in Manchester. Perhaps the Charging Thunder in the posts above is the man who travelled with the 1892 show to Glasgow, where he spent a night in the police cells for assaulting Georger Crager. He was 24 then ( www.hiddenglasgow.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=355&start=15 ) Totally different man to the one who stayed behind in Manchester. |
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Post by Dietmar on Mar 17, 2019 11:48:13 GMT -5
Actually, after checking my files, I have found the same man identified as Charging Thunder, Whirling Hawk, Running Hawk and Good Horse!
D.F. Barry names him in several portraits Good Horse. In Gertrud Käsebier´s photographs he is called Charging Thunder and/or Whirling Hawk. Another picture from an unknown photographer calls him Running Hawk of White Clay. I can´t say at the moment what´s his right name. He could have had more than one.
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Post by wayanke on Mar 17, 2019 15:50:41 GMT -5
Thank you very much!
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Post by wayanke on Mar 18, 2019 15:39:31 GMT -5
By the way, who knows, why in excellent work of Markus Linder and Gregor Luts not present some photoes, but present mention about them? Like these:
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