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Post by jayman on Mar 3, 2010 17:58:54 GMT -5
Thanks very much for elaborating on your comment, you are obviously well informed and I would have to agree with much of what you say. I am aware of several SB's he did "from life" although this one is the only one signed by SB (authenticated by Wunderlich). I guess old Henry didn't paint circus wagons for nothing!
Aside from Cross' 'commercial' side, he really did create an importantant body of work, i.e. the paintings he did of the perpetrators of the Minnesota uprising before they were executed. I believe the Gilcrease has close to ninety of his best paintings.
You point is well taken insofar as he seems to have engaged in something close to chicanery, which is why I'm anxious to try to research the railroad conductor story that the dealer told me. I paid a pittance for the painting in 1968 and it was only after the purchase that the dealer mentioned that he got it from the raolroad conductor's family. To add to the substance of SB giving it as a gift, the painting had been remounted in the 1940's as it had been cut from a stretcher and had been rolled up as if to be portable.
I know this is all conjecture on my part but I'll do my best to give it credence.
Jayman
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Post by jeroen on Sept 13, 2010 5:43:05 GMT -5
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Post by grahamew on Sept 13, 2010 12:31:16 GMT -5
Great one! Always good to have another Gilbert, even if it's laughable. Where did you find this one, Jeroen?
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Post by jeroen on Sept 14, 2010 11:57:01 GMT -5
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Post by grahamew on Sept 16, 2010 13:31:04 GMT -5
Siting Bull's daughters?  Benjamin C. Golling, circa 1910...?  The girl on the right doesn't look old enough! |
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Post by jeroen on Oct 25, 2010 7:22:13 GMT -5
I don't think this photograph show Sitting Bull's daughters, like you say, not old enough... "Sitting Bull's son in old age"  "Sitting Bull's grandson, Clarence Little Soldier"  |
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Post by grahamew on Oct 25, 2010 7:56:06 GMT -5
I've seen the man in the last photo identified as Little John, Mandan and elsewhere as Little Soldier, Arikara. I've seen one in a Barry mount, but I think it's a Goff. Always willing to be proven wrong, however!
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Post by naiches2 on Nov 27, 2010 6:42:41 GMT -5
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Post by bibliotekker on Nov 29, 2010 11:23:01 GMT -5
Thank you to Dr. Markus Lindner and Gregor Lutz for doing much of the work in locating and defining many of the Sitting Bull photos. Building on their work, I am creating what I believe is the largest displayed collection of Sitting Bull photos in the world here at Sitting Bull College Library. Eventually, the collection will encompass all the "known" photographs of Sitting Bull taken during his lifetime. I am interested in finding print quality versions of the two final photographs listed in Gregor Lutz's document linked here www.american-tribes.com/Lakota/Hunkpapa/SittingBull/SittingBull-Part1B.pdf Our collection would not be complete without them. If you have information regarding these two photographs, please contact me here or at Mark Holman Sitting Bull College Library 9299 Highway 24 Fort Yates, ND 58538 markh@sbci.edu 701-854-8024 thank you for your help. |
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Post by ladonna on Nov 30, 2010 9:19:57 GMT -5
Hi Mark good to see you here
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Post by emilylevine on Feb 24, 2011 13:20:35 GMT -5
Do people know this one? Is it him?  |
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Post by grahamew on Feb 25, 2011 5:56:22 GMT -5
I would say not. I'm not aware he ever had his hair cropped, for a start.
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Post by gregor on Mar 1, 2011 7:59:49 GMT -5
I agree with grahamew. With high probability this is not a photograph of Sitting Bull. I know no picture of SB on which he was photographed with cut hair.
We should also consider that SB was not a solitary name. I know ad hoc four people who carried this name and I remember dim that I have seen – while reviewing Lakota census lists – 1 or 2 other people with the name: We have the famous SB, his father Returns Again, who took the name before giving it to his son, the Oglala Sitting Bull and a southern Arapaho with Ghost Dance fame, who wore the name.
NOTE: In the 1889 census list of Standing Rock we find – for example - two "One Bulls" (No. 602 = 45 years and No.1311 = 34 years = SBs relative) and two "Gray Eagles" (SBs brother-in-law and a girl). In several Lakota census lists we also find different people with the name "Standing Holy". And of course there were different Red Clouds and Spotted Tails (By chance I found a 82 year old Spotted Tail in the 1886 ! Rosebud Census; see archive.org, on page 75 of the 1886 Rosebud Census PDF-Document of the microfilm).
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Post by emilylevine on Mar 1, 2011 23:43:50 GMT -5
Thanks guys
I tend to agree with you; that's why I asked. This photo appeared with other familiar images of Sitting Bull in an very old newspaper article about him.
Appreciate your input.
Emily
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Post by Dietmar on Mar 30, 2012 7:38:35 GMT -5
Grahame has posted earlier this picture of a man who is allegedly John/Young Sitting Bull:  When I´ve looked through my files yesterday I noticed that the same man (sitting second from left) is in this group photo I saved from Ebay a while ago:   Surprisingly the man sitting next to him (third from left) has also been identified as a son of Sitting Bull in another shot we had previously posted. |
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