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Post by Dietmar on Jun 24, 2008 14:49:02 GMT -5
We all know the photographs of the Modoc leaders of the war in 1872/73, Captain Jack, Black Jim, Scarface Charley, etc. . Mostly they were taken after imprisonment with cut hair and prisoner outfit. This photo of Kintpuash aka Captain Jack, the most famous Modoc leader, was taken many years before, probably in 1863. I wonder if there were others that show more traditional Modoc outfits. Kintpuash, Captain Jack
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Post by grahamew on Jun 25, 2008 3:58:34 GMT -5
Tremendous photo, which I see has become the acceptable one on various reference siotes. If this really is him, there must be, although I've never come across any. If you hadn't named him, I would've taken this for a photo of a Ute, although it doesn't look like the Ute Captain Jack and it does look like Kintpuash. He'd be about 26 at the time. He seems to be wearing spurs and are they boots he has on under his leggings? Of course, we seldom know the circumstances in which the photo was taken. What makes me wonder, is that this picture was supposedly taken in 1860: U.S. Army Lt. Lorenzo Lorain took this photograph of a group of Klamath and Modoc Indians in the summer or fall of 1860. See www.ohs.org/education/oregonhistory/historical_records/dspDocument.cfm?doc_ID=395BD9A9-9235-501C-FE5FB44471854B3E for an even bigger print.
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Post by Dietmar on Jun 25, 2008 4:48:27 GMT -5
Mmmh, I am not sure... a little hard for me to believe this photo was takes as early as 1860, when it wa dificult for photographers to take their equipment into the field. I think most of the photographs of Indians before 1868 were made in the studio. What do you think?
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Post by grahamew on Jun 25, 2008 6:59:11 GMT -5
But I have seen photos of Arapahoes from the late 50s and Bierstadt photographed Indians from this period too.
I may be well off here, but I've always thought the Modoc clothing a result of years and years of interaction with whites. On the other hand, ten years is a long time...
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Post by naiches on Aug 28, 2009 22:28:52 GMT -5
I found this interesting photo of Modocs on E-bay And descriptionCDV photograph Modoc Indians C. 1870s Principal Warriors and Women in Their New Homes Included in the photo are prominent warriors such as "Scar-Faced Charley" and his family and also the wife and sister of the infamous "Captian Jack" and Bogus Charley, Faithful William and Hooka Jim. Also, Capt. Wilkinson of the Third Infantry, U.S.A. and Agent Jones at the far right. Photographed by McCarty, Baxter Springs, Kansas. On the back of the photograph it lists the names of all the people in the photo(please see photos below).
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Post by naiches on Aug 28, 2009 22:36:33 GMT -5
And another photo from Cowan's Name - Scarcet M. Wood - Modocs
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Post by claudio on Apr 11, 2015 8:28:43 GMT -5
We all know the photographs of the Modoc leaders of the war in 1872/73, Captain Jack, Black Jim, Scarface Charley, etc. . Mostly they were taken after imprisonment with cut hair and prisoner outfit. This photo of Kintpuash aka Captain Jack, the most famous Modoc leader, was taken many years before, probably in 1863. I wonder if there were others that show more traditional Modoc outfits. Kintpuash, Captain Jack
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Post by claudio on Apr 11, 2015 8:35:23 GMT -5
We all know the photographs of the Modoc leaders of the war in 1872/73, Captain Jack, Black Jim, Scarface Charley, etc. . Mostly they were taken after imprisonment with cut hair and prisoner outfit. This photo of Kintpuash aka Captain Jack, the most famous Modoc leader, was taken many years before, probably in 1863. I wonder if there were others that show more traditional Modoc outfits. Kintpuash, Captain Jack Dietmar, excuse me but I would like resume this old thread for to know if the photo of Kintpuash, Captain Jack is same that I add in attachment. Thanks. Claudio Attachments:
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Post by grahamew on Apr 11, 2015 14:27:26 GMT -5
I believe this is the Ute Captain Jack
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Post by claudio on Apr 11, 2015 17:40:26 GMT -5
Thanks for answer grahamew! I don't know the exactly caption of this photo but I thought there was some similarity between the most famous image of Modoc Cap. Jack. Thank you so much again.
Claudio
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Post by Dietmar on Apr 13, 2015 11:24:26 GMT -5
I fixed the image in the first post.
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Post by cinemo on Apr 19, 2015 3:57:18 GMT -5
According to Cheewa James ( Modoc historian and book author ) the clothing on that photograph of Keintpoos aka Captain Jack was not traditional
cinemo
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Post by Dietmar on Apr 19, 2015 4:16:46 GMT -5
I think the shirt and boots are surely not traditional.
Does Cheewa James comment on how authentic the portrait of Captain Jack is, Cinemo? And have you read her book and recommend it?
Thanks.
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Post by claudio on Apr 19, 2015 12:03:40 GMT -5
I think the shirt and boots are surely not traditional. Does Cheewa James comment on how authentic the portrait of Captain Jack is, Cinemo? And have you read her book and recommend it? Thanks. In my archive I found this other photo of Captain Jack, but you probably already know. Capt. Jack.tif (497.14 KB)
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Post by cinemo on Apr 19, 2015 14:54:59 GMT -5
Hi Dietmar,
yes, I was reading this book > Modoc The Tribe That Wouldn't Die < about two years ago, but I recommended that book only to some friends of mine.
Unfortunately, there is not a detailed explanation for that photograph ( regarding authenticity of clothing )
One thing's sure , that photograph shows Keintpoos prior to the Modoc war.
Clothing :
By the middle of the nineteenth century, the Modoc adopted white clothing styles, similar to the settlers around them.
Traditionally, clothing often based on various plant fibers or tule reed . Even the shoes or sandals were made of tule. Tule was used for leggings too. Modoc men wore short wraparound kilts made of deerskin and in cool weather deerskin ponchos. Sometimes , clothing of Plains tribes was adopted.
cinemo
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