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Post by ftpeckpabaksa on Oct 22, 2009 14:38:00 GMT -5
Hau. I am writing to see what information there is about a chief of the Yanktonai's. He is mentioned in the 1840's in several books as, Red Leaf. I was wondering if he had a son that took over leadership of the Tribe....or what. In the General Harney discussions he is not mentioned at all. I know he was mentioned in destroying an Agent Vaughn's presents at Fort Peirre, I think in 1854 or somewhere around there. But anyone have any information on this leader? it would help explain a lot about the leadership of the Yanktonai. Thanks
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Post by naiches on Oct 22, 2009 16:00:19 GMT -5
Image from Cowan's The signature under a picture says: Read Leaf (Wahpe Sha) Wajaje - may be this man is Yanktonai Read Leaf Attachments:
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Post by ftpeckpabaksa on Oct 22, 2009 16:36:13 GMT -5
That is great. I wonder if that is him. It may be. Because according to that book (Five Tribes of the Upper Missouri)...Red Leaf led a large portion of the Upper Yanktonai. I wonder who might have succeeded him? Does the photo have any other information? I never seen that. But wow...maybe it may be him. I wonder if anyone else out there knows more too. Would be great to find out more about the man.
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Post by naiches on Oct 22, 2009 17:00:51 GMT -5
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Post by Dietmar on Oct 23, 2009 3:38:34 GMT -5
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Post by ftpeckpabaksa on Jul 8, 2011 15:09:55 GMT -5
I was going over some of the information that is given on Red Leaf in the book Five Tribes of the Upper Missouri where it mentions Red Leaf. Although it does not state clearly who suceeded him in that book, i did find some other interesting information. I read in the other threads of Wanata, where it mentions that after his death the band he led split into three groups with a son leading each group. What is interesting in what I found was a winter count that ended up on the Fort Peck Reservation. In this winter count, the Cut Head were in the Bismark area in the early 1820's. This could signify a split in the Cut Head band before Wanata was killed. In the year 1828 it mentions this Cut Head band as far west as present day Glendive Montana where they had a fight with the Crow's. Also, it lists the name of the Chiefs of this band and when they passed away during this early seperation. Also, it mentions the passing of Red Leaf several years later around the time after Red Leaf was at Fort Pierre. I just wanted to add that, I am not certain on the dates yet, I just been going through it and I wanted to post this as it appears that the Cut Head band split before the death of Wanata.
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Post by ftpeckpabaksa on Jul 8, 2011 15:22:57 GMT -5
One thing I forgot to mention. This winter count also mentions many of the Leaders who went to Washington D.C. in 1872 that settled would settle at Fort Peck, Medicine Bear, Red Lodge etc.. Also, it mentions Big Brains passing in 1873. This could indicate that Big Brains or Big Head was also part of this group that broke off from Wanata before his passing. There is also information that shows that this group was closely associated with the Hunkpapa during the early 1850's and that this Cut Head group was affiliated with the Lakota's as they used the Sacred Buffalo Calf Pipe several times in the 1840's and 1850's.
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Wakalapi
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Post by Wakalapi on Jul 12, 2011 17:21:30 GMT -5
Hau ftpeckpabaksa, thank you for your post. RE: Big Brains passing in 1873 I would like to make an attempt at determination of when Big Brains passed. You state that the winter count mentions Big Brains passing in 1873? In the following link it states that Gregor has compiled a biographical essay about Big Head: amertribes.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=yanktonais&action=display&thread=347&page=2Some Winter Counts for the years 1863/64 – e.g., the count of No Two Horns (Hunkpapa) at the Buechel Museum – report the death of a Dakota called Big Head, who was taken prisoner by soldiers. This must have been the older Big Head. Members, please share your feedback regarding any other documentation regarding the approximate and/or date, month, year that the elder Big Brains/Big Head passed. Thank You,
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Post by ftpeckpabaksa on Jul 13, 2011 15:40:17 GMT -5
Hey there.
The date of the winter count says. 1873 - Big Brains died. I liked the story posted by gregor about Big Head. Although, I am not sure which man it refers to, Big Head or Big Brains. But as I mentioned, the winter count gave good information regarding the Cut Head. As other threads ion the site mention that the Cut Head split after the passing of Wanata I. With the Cut Head each following a son of his, three groups. However, this winter count that indicates a break within the group in the 1820's.
I read the story from gregor. I see a lot of information was taken from the book written and researched about fort peck, it does mention one discrepency I did find. The 1872 delegation, it states that the Sioux were trying to get a reservation in the area of Fort Peck reservation now, in northeastern MT, and they failed. One fact remains, the area from the North Dakota border to the area where the Fort Peck Dam is, was an area that was never mentioned in any treaty. I researched this area heavily, throughout the treaty making process, anyone can get a Kapplers book and read through the treaties and with a map you will notice that the area was never mentioned in any treaty. However, Medicine Bear, Red Lodge, Black Eye, Grizzly Bear Nose (Black Catfish) and others had this area assigned or, added onto the Blackfeet Treaties....thus creating one big reservation that was broken up in 1888. The Sioux, did win a reservation outside the great sioux reservation.
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