Very right Louie. As an example, the Lakota name for Crow Butte in Nebraska has been translated as "Where the Crows Danced". I am not near my notes right now, but will check if I have the name in Lakota. More to follow. Carlo
That's interesting Emily. As far as I know, Saddle Buttes are located in North Dakota, just across the border from SD, and I haven't seen it associated with a Lakota-Crow fight in other sources. 1849 is when the Crow Butte episode took place and the "thirty Crows killed" could refer to the 30+ Crows that raided Bordeaux' place, but only three of them were actually killed. Not to dismiss this right away, but I have my doubts that this is a separate incident as I find it odd that a victory so complete (30 enemies killed) would not have shown up in other counts or sources. Can you share which count this was in? I am actually just working on this time frame, so this is very intriguing. Carlo
Post by kingsleybray on Mar 3, 2012 3:47:34 GMT -5
Wizipan is the word for the square or box-like rawhide parfleche container - conventionally translated as 'trunk'. There is a small butte east of Crow Butte (the scene of the 1849 Crow siege) called Trunk Butte. So like carlo I tend ro think at the moment that this refers to that fight.
By the way the fight is covered exhaustively in the Fall/Winter issue of the MUSEUM OF THE FUR TRADE QUARTERLY, Vol. 45, No. 3-4.
Post by emilylevine on Mar 3, 2012 13:02:35 GMT -5
this is very interesting. Yes, Trunk Butte! Beautiful out there. If I figure out anything more, I'll post. Others please weigh in.
Source: I recently recently received three new counts from Josephine Waggoner's great granddaughter. Not too much new, but still interesting. Out of respect for the family, I cannot share them at this time. But after March 15th (my deadline for publication and I don't have time before then . . .), you can send me a personal message if there is a date you want me to check. All of Waggoner's winter counts will be in the book.
Post by emilylevine on Mar 3, 2012 15:35:59 GMT -5
Thanks Carlo. I'm excited for people to finally be able to read Waggoner's work. (But I really am turning into a mush brain the past month . . .) And if you want to look up a year just let me know in a couple weeks. em
The reference to Trunk Butte (Wizipan Paha) is interesting. I am a student of Seven Council Fire place names. On a similar note if you are interested in seeing what a Wizipan looks like and everything you wanted to know but were afraid to ask see my article in Whispering Wind Magazine "Wizipan: An Elliptical Parflece Container 32 (2) 2001. Louis Garcia
"Saddle Rock: Halfway between Crawford and Fort Robinson is Saddle Rock. From the front of the butte, looking west, the rock truly does look like a saddle."
So it appears that this is not Trunk Butte. Maybe the Lakota and American names for the butte aren't related at all. I'll check Gilmore's Dakota Place Names articles and see what he says.
Do you know Paul Durand's place names book: Where the Waters Gather and the Rivers Meet? Mostly Minnesota and Ojibway but some Dakota as well. Out of print and hard to find but I think someone was trying to republish it.
Emily: I am happy you liked the Wizipan article. I didn't know it was on line. Crawford, NE is too far away from Devils Lake, ND (Where I live)for me to know the geography well enough to help you.
I knew Paul Durand, he was working on publishing an updated edition when he passed away at age 90 or so. His book is one of the best kept secrets when it comes to Dakota / Ojibwe place names. As far as I know his widow (Faribault, MN) has no plans at present to republish. Louie
Emily: I have not been in touch with the former Dorothy Durand. She has remarried, I would guess she is about 75 years old. She lives in Fairibault, MN.
Now as far as Dakota place names are concerned, Paul Durand has saved 100's of names that would have been lost. So much has been written about the Lakota as of late but little about the Dakota. However the 150th anniversary of the Minnesota Uprising is this year and there is some new information coming forward. Louie