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Post by jinlian on Aug 25, 2009 8:29:20 GMT -5
Copyright: Paul Dyck Research Foundation, Rimrock, Arizona I'd like to ask if anyone has details about the above image (published in "Promise: Bozeman's Trail to Destiny" by S. Chapman - I added the watermark because I'm not sure about its copyright status, and I'm ready to remove it, in case of violations) as year, fphotographer and so on. It would be also great to have further info about Wild Hog, especially the 1860-70 and the Pine Ridge years (for this last period, I've only a few lines in Olson's Red Cloud and the Sioux Problem, reporting Wild Hog's "progressive" and "friendly" attitude, plus his signing the 1888 land agreement). For the 1879 trial following the Cheyenne outbreak at Fort Robinson, I'd recommend an excellent article by Barry Johnson, "Cheyennes in Court: an Aftermath of the Dull Knife Outbreak of 1878" (thanks again to Kingsley and Grahame for pointing me out to it). Thanks to everybody!
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Post by kingsleybray on Aug 25, 2009 10:19:02 GMT -5
The image was also published in Fr Powell's PEOPLE OF THE SACRED MOUNTAIN. I believe the credit line was that it was from the Paul Dyck collection, but I can check that this evening.
Wild Hog was a grandson of the famous chief High Back Wolf, painted by Catlin in 1832 and killed in the following year (The Year the Stars Fell, 1833, named for the spectacular Leonid shower). His father was Blind Wolf, and his brother High Back Wolf III was killed at Platte Bridge in July 1865.
Check this new Cheyenne genealogy website:
ttp://www.spanggenealogy.com
Kingsley
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Post by jinlian on Aug 25, 2009 10:43:26 GMT -5
Thank you, Kingsley. In that genealogy website Wild Hog is said to be born in 1849; however, in the list of signatures for the 1888 land agreement, he's reported as a 50 years old, which would make him born around 1838; honestly, looking at the 1879 trial photographs, he looks like being around forty rather than thirty...has anybody more information about Wild Hog's year of birth? Wild Hog's genealogy tree on spanggenealogy: www.spanggenealogy.com/nc/gtp1795.htm#head0The 1888 land agreement signatures
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Post by grahamew on Aug 25, 2009 11:15:56 GMT -5
Is this Wild Hog? It's suppoed to be Lonesome Charlie Reynolds and Charlie Hogg and family, 1875. Obviously, if it is him, the date's too early and it isn't Reynolds...
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Post by grahamew on Aug 25, 2009 11:17:15 GMT -5
Nah... Seeing them together, the mouth is all wrong for a start!
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Post by kingsleybray on Aug 25, 2009 11:19:15 GMT -5
Yes, I think a date about 1840 or a little earlier sounds better than one of 1849.
The William Blackmore diary of Oct. 1874 describes his visit to a large Southern Oglala village on the South Platte River, setting off on the last winter hunt in the Republican River region. There was a small group of Northern Cheyennes travelling with the S. Oglalas, including Wild Hog. Medicine Arrow, Southern Cheyenne, the Keeper of the Sacred Arrows, was also visiting in the village - rather interesting from the perspective of the Red River War then convulsing the Southern Plains.
Kingsley
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Post by grahamew on Aug 25, 2009 11:21:19 GMT -5
Are some of the Cheyenne in the land agreement document from Cheyenne River or are their names just written in Lakota?
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Post by kingsleybray on Aug 25, 2009 11:26:16 GMT -5
These people are really Cheyennes, but their names are given in Lakota. There were simply a lot more interpreters of Lakota than of Cheyenne. In the 1825 Atkinson-O'Fallon Treaty, the Cheyenne signatories have their name recorded in phonetic Lakota and English translation.
Kingsley
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Post by jinlian on Aug 25, 2009 11:55:15 GMT -5
@grahame: the document (6 or 7 pages, I'll check later) reports the land agreement signatures taken in Pine Ridge. In the other pages, names of prominent Lakota leaders such as American Horse, Blue Horse and No Flesh appear together with the Cheyenne's.
It's a pity that Mari Sandoz's notes about her father's conversations with Wild Hog were lost; I remember, when I first read "Cheyenne Autumn" that in the footnotes there were references to information got by Jules Sandoz from Wild Hog. I wonder why she had to destroy them, as it has been hinted...
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Post by grahamew on Aug 25, 2009 12:07:26 GMT -5
Thanks.
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Post by jinlian on Aug 25, 2009 12:39:26 GMT -5
Yes, I think a date about 1840 or a little earlier sounds better than one of 1849. The William Blackmore diary of Oct. 1874 describes his visit to a large Southern Oglala village on the South Platte River, setting off on the last winter hunt in the Republican River region. There was a small group of Northern Cheyennes travelling with the S. Oglalas, including Wild Hog. Wasn't Wild Hog's wife (who, according to the spanggenealogy site, was named Stands in Lodge) an Oglala? I remember that main reason behind his attempted suicide after the Cheyenne outbreak was that, without him, his wife and children would have been free to go and live at Pine Ridge.
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Post by kingsleybray on Aug 25, 2009 13:10:28 GMT -5
Here's the credit line for the photo of Wild Hog above, as printed in POWELL "People of the Sacred Mountain", vol. 2, p. 1192:
"Photo: Meddaugh, Rushville, Nebraska. Courtesy Paul Dyck, Paul Dyck Research Foundation, Rimrock, Arizona."
Fr Powell states that it was taken "ca. 1879", in the period after the breakout from Ft Robinson.
Kingsley
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Post by jinlian on Aug 25, 2009 14:34:49 GMT -5
Thanks, Kingsley. I've added the copyright credits in the first posting.
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Post by shatonska on Aug 25, 2009 14:47:06 GMT -5
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Post by jinlian on Aug 25, 2009 14:52:19 GMT -5
Thanks Shatonska. I have both Ricker's books, and you're right about Wild Hog supposed date of birth (1849) being wrong, considering his children's age. Incidentally, the man labeled "Running Hog" in the photograph you posted in the "Little Wolf" thread, isn't Wild Hog himself? (I'm reposting it here, if it's fine with you)
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