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Post by tipifan on Aug 24, 2009 6:33:36 GMT -5
Hi! I'm a new member of this group and have been interested for a long time in classic Crow tipis. By "classic" I mean tipis as they were photographed by Fred Miller, Richard Throssel, Edward Curtis, and others. Which sets the time-frame quite narrowly for 1890 to 1920.
I'm collecting photos of Crow tipis that show complete tipis and/or details of Crow tipis.
I also would like to hear from people who have made their own Crow style tipis (most likely following the instructions given by the Laubins) and their experiences with setting up a well-looking Crow tipi.
I'm also interested in other types of 4-pole tipis, particularly those of the Blackfoot people.
Georg
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Post by Historian on Aug 24, 2009 11:52:55 GMT -5
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Post by tipifan on Aug 24, 2009 14:03:10 GMT -5
Thank you for the hint -- had seen your pictures before and saved a few of them that I hadn't known yet.
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Post by jinlian on Aug 25, 2009 7:26:46 GMT -5
Hi Tipifan, don't know if you've already seen these, but here are two photographs published in R.H. Lowie's Crow Indian Art, showing two peculiar painted Crow tipis (only a few people among the Apsaalooke had the right to have their tipi painted). Lowie's photographs were taken between 1907 and 1916: uptiki.com/images/ooovqtphubef8e8gfpew.jpg(sorry, I have to post the link without showing the image, because it's too big and messes up the page's layout) Also, you can browse the single threads in the Crow section, there are lots of photographs in which tipis or details of tipis can be clearly seen. For anyone interested: the above mentioned book by Lowie can be downloaded for free here: digitallibrary.amnh.org/dspace/bitstream/2246/168/1/A021a04.pdf
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Post by tipifan on Aug 25, 2009 13:20:34 GMT -5
Thanks for those great images. I think I've had my hands on almost everything that has been published on Crow material culture. However, there's always a good chance that through the Internet more illustrations turn up that hadn't been available before.
On the other hand, when the University of Wyoming opened their Richard Throssel database, the image files were so giant that you could blow up the images and you had to "stitch" them. Now the biggest image size available is less than a postcard. Better than nothing but still a pity.
Library of Congress applied the same politics after their Curtis images became available online -- many Crow portraits that were not in the published volumes were just giant poster size on the computer. Now all you get is some average 120 kilobyte image or so. Again, better than nothing.
Again, thanks a lot for sending the pictures!
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Post by jinlian on Aug 25, 2009 14:45:17 GMT -5
Most probably you already know it, but here's a link to a short article on Crow tipis published by the Apsaalooke Little Big Horn College: lib.lbhc.cc.mt.us/history/3.04.php
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Post by Dietmar on Aug 25, 2009 15:25:07 GMT -5
Welcome Georg!
I´m glad you already found some help.
Best wishes
Dietmar
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Post by jinlian on Aug 25, 2009 17:41:48 GMT -5
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Post by tipifan on Aug 26, 2009 6:38:05 GMT -5
Hi Jinlian,
thank you so much for the links to the photographs!
Despite the caption in Riebeth's book on Sharp, the alleged White Swan tipi is no Crow tipi at all, but a Blackfoot tipi, judging by the way the poles are placed into the "crown". The tipis in the background as well have the typical Blackfoot setup. The long pegs and their large number also indicate Blackfoot. Adolf Hungry Wolf in his "Blackfoot Papers" has a clearer picture of this same Blackfoot tipi, in the volume on Pikunni ceremonial life (volume 2, page 351).
I've had "J.H. Sharp among the Crow Indians" for many years. To fully appreciate this book, however, I'd recommend "The Beat of the Drum and the Hoop of the Crane" by Forrest Fenn, which shows a lot of photographs taken by the Sharps on the Crow Reservation. Captions contain the usual errors and/or attributions but it's still a great coffee-tabler. There's said to be a new expanded edition of that Fenn book available.
Again, thanks a lot for your hints! It's always good to look up book one thinks to know by heart!
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Post by jinlian on Aug 26, 2009 7:08:50 GMT -5
Ooops, you're right, a photograph in the Mansfield Library Archives shows the same tipi, this time correctly labeled as Blackfoot. Thanks for pointing it out, I'll remove the image from the White Swan thread. Do you know if there was in fact a tipi painted by White Swan? I seems to recall (don't have the book handy right now) that in the White Swan paintings catalogue by D.E. Bradley the White Swan painted tipi is mentioned (no photo): maybe a reference to the mislabeled image? Thanks for recommending the Fenn book: I was uncertain about buying it because of its high price, but, if it's worth, I'll reconsider it.
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Post by tipifan on Aug 26, 2009 7:50:48 GMT -5
Thanks for recommending the Fenn book: I was uncertain about buying it because of its high price, but, if it's worth, I'll reconsider it. It may not be love at first sight but I think it's worth to have it! I love the paintings Sharp did in Taos much better than those he did on the Crow Reservation. If you have the Riebeth book, the Fenn book should be a Must for you -- I love that one alone for the birdseye view map of the Crow Agency! And there's a great "centerfold" photo showing all the famous Crow dignitaries, photographed at a county fair in Sheridan, Wyoming ... you'll certainly name them all!
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Post by jinlian on Aug 26, 2009 9:38:51 GMT -5
Thanks, I'm sure the book is a worth reading, but, as it has become a collectible , the price can be up to 900 $ (I have seen it sold at even 1005 or so!)! Now I've found an auction where they sold it at a reasonable price...let's see.
Out of curiosity, in which year was the Sheridan fair photograph you mentioned taken? Thanks
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Post by tipifan on Aug 26, 2009 12:20:35 GMT -5
Thanks, I'm sure the book is a worth reading, but, as it has become a collectible , the price can be up to 900 $ (I have seen it sold at even 1005 or so!)! Now I've found an auction where they sold it at a reasonable price...let's see. Amazon.de has two dealers offering the book at ca 180 EUR which is about 250 US$, Amazon.com has offers starting at $97 1903
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Post by jinlian on Aug 26, 2009 16:53:55 GMT -5
Thanks for the tips, I think I'll go with Amazon.com, as the ebay auction has already gone up to a higher price. If the photograph was taken in 1903, there are good chances to find Pretty Eagle and Spotted Horse. Again, thank you so much!
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Post by tipifan on Aug 27, 2009 1:47:25 GMT -5
If you're just interested in the book because of the photographs Henry Sharp took on the Crow Reservation, I can scan them for you and attach to my posts (who will move them to the appropriate folder?). So here's a scan of that group in Sheridan; I cropped most of the ground and sky and reduced file size but left the image size as big as possible. However, if you're interested in J.H. Sharp and his art as well, I'd really recommend buying the Fenn book.
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