The Ihunktonwan/Yanktonais

[emilylevine]

Waggoner lists these Cut Head bands as being at Poplar: "Warcinca" (?), "Makaicu" (Earth or Skunk? Oneself?), "Hoganyutena" (yutesni? Eat No Fish?)
Better translations, anyone?

[ladonna]

A branch of the Pabaska are in Poplar as well as Standing Rock and Fort Totten, Wahcinca, Maka icu, Hotan Yutena sni

[emilylevine]

Thanks Ladonna!
So that's Cottonwood, To take land (and settle down), and Eat no fish?

She says Deer Tail of the Makha icu band "was the first man at Poplar to start to farm and raised large field of corn as early as 1877."

Are you blowing away up there? It's crazy down here . .

[ftpeckpabaksa]

Hello there emily....yeah there were Pabaksa that settled at Fort Peck. I've been doing extensive research on the Pabaksa. However, the names you gave were not bands they are the Dakota names for the communities. Wacincha could be Wacincha Wakpa or Poplar Creek which also went by Owokpamni or the Place They Get Rations...as for MAKAICU thats the name given for the Riverside District. Makaicu mean the place they take the dirt. The dirt being the dirt used for the old log cabins. And, Hoganyutena is Hogan Yuta or Fish Eater Camp, that being the Fort Kipp District. Medicine Bear, the Pabaksa leader chose that place for his people as he said once the game is gone the people can always fish to eat. But, yeah, those were names for the districts.. Also, Deer Tail is listed and known as an Isanti who lived and was the leader for the Makaicu district.

[ftpeckpabaksa]

Also, where can i get the Waggoner papers or are they in a book? im curious. I like reading stuff about the Pabaksa. Did you know, the early historians say the Pabaksa lived as one group untl Waneta's death but, the winter count here at Fort Peck has this group of Pabaksa and lists their Chiefs in the Glendive Montana area in the 1830's, and even mentions who the next Chief as Red Leaf and from there Medicine Bear. Just from that one can deduce that the Pabaksa split as a Band our Tribe well before Waneta's passing. Also, two of his son's came and settled here....Red Thunder and Black Catfish. Well, Black Catfish's son, and his name was Grizzly Bear Nose or Bear Nose. Both of these individuals were part of the 1872 delegation that went to Washington and their pictures were taken.

[emilylevine]

ftpeckpabaksa

Thank you so much for your invaluable information! This is a huge help and is much appreciated.
I have edited Waggoner's papers at the request of her family and am publishing them through University of Nebraska Press. The book is in production and currently in the copyediting stage.
The Press is planning a fall 2013 publishing date. I know. . . a long wait.

thanks again
Emily

[ladonna]

Red Thunder was Sisseton and the following were his sons Waneta I-II-III

[ladonna]

From what is told to me Red Thunder was Sisseton who broke off and became the Pabaska moving his people to live near the Ihuntonwana or Yanktonais on the James River Valley were the families intermarried but continued to remain his own tribe. His sons moved between Spirit Lake, Fort Peck, Northern Standing Rock, Sioux valley Canada and Crow Creek,
this is what i was told so in many documents they have Red Thunder and his sons as Yanktonais or Yankton

[katyou]

Apr 26, 2010 20:00:46 GMT -5 wahpekute said:

my mom's mom's dad's mom was White Ghost sister according to probates, her name was tatiyopadutawin. white ghost band was the sunkikceka (sunk-dog, ikce-common) as we had a lot of dogs in our band, still do. an elder said sunkikceka means bay horse or something to that.

[katyou]

Dec 30, 2014 20:32:48 GMT -5 katyou said:

Apr 26, 2010 20:00:46 GMT -5 wahpekute said:

my mom's mom's dad's mom was White Ghost sister according to probates, her name was tatiyopadutawin. white ghost band was the sunkikceka (sunk-dog, ikce-common) as we had a lot of dogs in our band, still do. an elder said sunkikceka means bay horse or something to that.

I am interested in any info on Bone Necklace, his children, White Ghost, and did he have a daughter Rebecca Red Door Woman. My Grandfather's mother was Red Door Woman and I cannot find any info on her parents. She married Henry Pratt

[katyou]

I would like to hear about Don't Know How and if Chief Bone Necklace had a daughter Rebecca Red Door Woman who would be sister to White Ghost. I anyone on this site anymore?

[ladonna]

Katyou I think you have something mixed up,
Rebecca Red Woman was not the daughter of Bone Necklace, She was not the sister to White Ghost

Rebecca Red Woman was married to Brown Cloud
they had a daughter named Waziekuaniwin or Walks in the Pine or Walks among the Pine
who married Wizi
Rebecca Red Woman was White Ghost's sister in law

Mahpiyagi-Brown Cloud b. 1820
Dutewin-Rebecca Red Woman b. 1824 d. 3-16-1895
Children
Daughter: Waziekuaniwin-Walks In Pine b. 1848 d. 1897
Son: Daniel Fire Cloud b. 1853 d. 1923

Chief Bone Necklace b. 1810 James River Valley
Spouse: Kimmitowin-White Butterfly b. 1811
Children
Son: Chief Wanagiska-White Ghost b. 1828
Son: Sunka Cankohan-Dog Back b. 1832
Son: Chief Wizi- Smoking Lodge b. 1833
Son: Unsposin How-DK Howe b. 1838
Daughter: Ptemani win-Buffalo Walking Woman-b.1839
Son: Mani-Fast Walker b. 1841
Daughter: Wanyankapiwin b. 1852
Son: White b. 1853

Chief Wizi-Smoking Lodge b. 1833 d. 1912 Crow Creek
1st Spouse: Sunka ska-Hahanna White Dog b.
2nd Spouse: Waziekuaniwin-Walks In Pine b. 1848 d. 1897
Children
Son: Choteau Wizi b. 1854 b. 1918
Daughter: Lucy Wizi b.1865
Daughter: Ista zi-Amy Emma Wizi b. 1869
Son: Wizioa-John Wizi b. 1876
Son: Robert Wizi b. 1879
Son: Guy Wizi b. 1883
Son: Joseph Wizi b. 1889 d. 1888
Daughter: Wanokiya-Mary Wizi b. 1890 d. 1894

[ladonna]

I found Tiyopaduta-Red Door Woman who was married to Henry Pratt

Henry Pratt b.1825
Tiyopaduta-Red Door b. 1833
Children
Daughter: Sophia Pratt b. 1865
Daughter: Mary Pratt b. 1867
Son: Samuel Pratt b. 1877
daughter: Grace Pratte b. 1878
Son: Arthur Pratt b. 1879

So it seem Rebecca Red Woman and Red Door Woman are two different people

[joanieb]

I have a copy of an affidavit done by Daniel Fire Cloud (who is mentioned in the above thread)that lists Dog Back as a brother to White Ghost. Any ideas on that? Daniel Fire Cloud may not have had a good memory, however, because he also stated that a Mrs. Sully was the sister of White Ghost and according to census records she was born in 1818 -- so that would be biologically impossible for her to be Bone Necklace's daughter. Could she have been a sister?

Also any information on who the parents and possibly grandparents are of Bone Necklace?

I have a copy of another affidavit by John Fleury Jr, where he states that his mother Maggie Kirkie (aka Winona, aka First Cloud Woman) is first cousins to Bone Necklace. I am descended from Maggie's daughter/John Jr.'s sister -- Louisa Fleury Phillips (1843-1878).

Thanks, any help is appreciated.
Joanie

[ladonna]

The parents and grandparents of Bone necklace is too far back, we have no records for 1800 and further back only if the families know that history,
Yes Dog Back is listed as White Ghost brother,
Daniel Fire Cloud would be my Great Aunt Susan, Loudia and Lena Fire Clouds grandfather,
so Kirke is a cousin to Bone necklace so you have her Mother's name so much information we can not a hold because most of the records
do not start until 1870s in some cases later in most