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Post by Historian on Jun 13, 2009 10:50:51 GMT -5
Standing L-R: unknown, Louis Roubedeaux (Interpreter) Sitting L-R: Black Crow, Iron Wing, Spotted Tail, Coarse Voice, White Thunder - Sicangu - 1880  Sicangu Delegation at Carlisle Indian School. Standing L-R (back row): Louis Roubedeaux (Interpreter), Charles Tackett, (Spotted Tail's son-in-law) Standing L-R (front row): Black Crow, Two Strike, White Thunder, Spotted Tail, Iron Wing - Sicangu - 1880  |
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Post by dickmill on Jun 14, 2009 8:53:36 GMT -5
Charles Tackett is Spotted Tail's son-in-law.
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Post by Historian on Jun 15, 2009 7:11:15 GMT -5
Charles Tackett is Spotted Tail's son-in-law. Oooops!  Thanks for the correction. Guess I had a Senior moment. ;D |
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Post by Dietmar on Mar 3, 2012 8:18:37 GMT -5
The Smithsonian has these notes on the photograph above: Standing: 1. Agent Pollock (according to Hyde) or Major Andrus (according to Anderson) 2. Louis Bordeau (according to Hyde) or Charlie Tackett, Spotted Tail's son-in-law. Seated: 1. Black Crow 2. Iron Wing 3. Spotted Tail 4. Coarse Voice (according to Hyde); unidentified, but not Coarse Voice (according to Anderson) 5. White Thunder
BAE Negative 3179 G - I've corresponded with Hyde about this photo and he says that the identification he obtained from Dave Whipple could easily be false. Whipple was 90 years old when he named the chiefs. Still, he did a good job, for there is only one of the five Indians seated that I can dispute his identification of. This photo also was taken on the 1880 trip to Carlisle & Washington. The delegation from Rosebud agency was led by Spotted Tail, and included White Thunder, Iron Wing, Black Crow, and Two Strike. All these except Two Strike are in the photo, but I do not think the old Indian, second from the right is Coarse Voice as Whipple says. And it definitely is not Two Strike. I have more data on the group from Rosebud than any of the others and I am certain that Coarse Voice did not make the trip. None of the reports made before the trip began, or after the chiefs reached Washington made any mention of him. Who this Indian is I can not now say. I don't think he was from either Pine Ridge or Rosebud. The fact that he is pictured with the Brules from Rosebud may mean that he was one of the delegation from Lower Brule agency and related somehow to Spotted Tail's Upper Brules at Rosebud.
Two men went to Washington, from Lower Brule in 1880, Medicine Bull and Likes the Bear. Whether this Medicine Bull was the old chief (close to 60 in 1880) or his son I can not say. Likes the Bear did not sign the land agreement of 1889 (nearly all the Lower Brules did) and it may be that he was the old man with Spotted Tail, and may have died between 1880 and 1889. A closer check of the records might supply the solution. Whipple says the white man with the beard was Agent Pollock, but I wonder. Pollock was actually an inspector in the Indian Dept. and had served as agent at Rosebud for only a short time in 1877 and '78.
The man in charge of the entire 1880 trip was the agent at Yankton Agency, Major Andrus. This bearded gentleman was with the chiefs at Carlisle and I am inclined to feel that he was Andrus and not Pollock. When the chiefs went home from Washington they stopped at Carlisle and Spotted Tail got into an awful row with the superintendent, Capt. Pratt. The result was that Spot took 6 of his family out of the school. None of the reports of this business or of the trip as a whole, make [any] mention of Pollock. He was liked and respected by Spotted Tail and had he been in the delegation I feel sure some mention would have been made in connection with a possible attempt to keep Spot's children at Carlisle. The unidentified man next to Pollock (or Andrus) is, I believe, Spotted Tail's son in law, Charlie Tackett. He was employed at the Carlisle school, probably as an interpreter for the Sioux children, and accompanied Spot to Washington along with his wife, Spot's daughter, and her four brothers. (Louis Bordeaux did not go on 1880 trip !). I have a photo of the Sioux delegation when it was at Carlisle, which I made use of in making the above identifications. In many cases articles of dress or ornaments are the same on individuals in both the Carlisle photo and those taken in Washington. -- Letter of Harry Anderson 119-11 233 Street St Albans 11, N.Y., April 2, 1956 to Mrs Blaker. (Correspondence in Smithsonian files).
Identifications have been furnished by George Hyde, who obtained them from a former employee at Rosebud Agency, a Mr Dave Whipple, then 90 years old; and by Harry Anderson, through a study of historical records. They do not entirely agree; the alternative identifications are indicated. (Copies of extracts from correspondence of Hyde and Anderson are attached to catalog card for negative # 3179-g, a cropped negative of the same subject).
See also copy negative 49380 C; margins not cropped.
siris-archives.si.edu/ipac20/ipac.jsp?&profile=all&source=~!siarchives&uri=full=3100001~!92320~!0#focus
I have wondered about the question who the delegate described as Coarse Voice really is for years, but I´m now convinced that it is not Coarse Voice but the Yankton Chief Struck-by-the-Ree, aka Old Strike. I will post some information on this later on... Oh, and btw, it´s not Louis Bordeau as George Hyde stated but Louis Robideau. |
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Post by Dietmar on Mar 3, 2012 9:48:51 GMT -5
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Post by gregor on Mar 3, 2012 12:40:41 GMT -5
Hi Dietmar,
i support your opinion that "Coarse Voice" is actually "Struck by the Ree". But the standing young man is a Roubideau (I think his first Name was also Louis). Tackett looks completely different and had a little mustache at that times.
CU
Gregor
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