Hello Grahame, As you know, Big Tree was in prsion in the period 1871-73, so it is likely that the photograph above was taken later. Also, Big Tree appears a bit older than those taken by Soule in the late 1860's. My guess, the mid to late 1870's for both the Big Tree and Quanah images... my best, Jeroen
found the following report about a silent movie from 1920 on the net. The movie is called The Daughter Of Dawn . The 80-minute, six-reel silent film was shot with an all-Indian cast (mostly Comanches and Kiowas). Historians suppose, that two of the key roles in the film are played by White and Wanada Parker - the son and daughter of Quanah Parker.
"Ce-ti Quineine" is not NumutekwapU. The only link I can think of with it is that early on, ca 1875-1880 or so, the name was often spelled "Quina," leading to the speculation that his name was not /Kwana/ 'odor', but was /kwina/ 'eagle' [thus the title of the book "Eagle of the Comanches."
tk [hard at work bringing Numunuu history up to 1966]
PS the above "A close up from a photograph in the Lawrence T. Jones collection, dated 1908-10" is by a Chickasha photographer who went by the name of "That Man [---]" (I can't remember the surname he used). This was a dance troupe that Quanah organized. I have the complete identifications back in Boston (I'm on my way to Oklahoma by way of Montana for Comanche Homecoming in mid-July.)
Usually spelled Quassyah (/kwasi/ 'tail', /sia/' feather', and usually translated as 'Eagle Tail Feather' although the 'eagle' is implied rather than explicit). Of him, Hoebel stated: A member of the Those Who Move Often Band. Quiet, responsible and respected, one of the most reliable of Comanche informants, inclined however, to resist rapport with whites. Age 56. [Hoebel 1940:143] According to the censuses and the Family Record Book, Quassyah was born between 1862 and 1865 and was between sixty-eight and seventy-one years old in 1933. The Family Record Book lists his father as Pahkeah, corroborated by Post Oak Jim (July 14), and his mother as Sahvora. In contrast to Hoebel’s attribution of Quassyah to the Noyûhka division, both Pahkeah and Quassyah were associated with Yuniwat’s and then with Pahdi’s local Yapainûû bands. Quassyah married Toarchi, daughter of the early modern Peyote man, Poewat, but apparently none of his children survived beyond 1920. In the 1890s, Quassyah was a member of the Kiowa Agency police, and possibly chief of Police in 1901. He was elected to the Kiowa-Comanche-Apache Business Committee in 1916. That year, the agent said of him, [He is] connected with the Peyote eaters and is looked upon as a leader. I believe he will not be antagonistic to government policies if permitted to serve as committeeman. [Stinchicum 1916] However, the business committee was disbanded the next year as unnecessary with allotment. Despite Hoebel’s characterization of him as “inclined . . . to resist rapport with whites,” Quassyah was a most experienced consultant; he was interviewed by Robert Lowie in 1912 (see Appendix A), by Günter Wagner in 1932 (Wagner 1932b), by Wilbur Nye in 1933 (Nye 1969), and by George Herzog and David McAllester in 1939 (Herzog and McAllester 1939).
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Lately I was reading an article in a german history magazine . Partially in that article were mentioned the Comanches and Quanah Parker. The Comanche language name for Quanah Parker was given as "Tis – tcha - quanah „ ; translated in english „ Stinking Belly “ .
Unfortunately , the author has not given a source for that assertion.
Personally I think, this assertion is wrong , any thoughts ?
I got word from tk about Quanah´s Name,I was asking for his help and Knowledge, he is busy with other Things this time.
This is what he said :
Tischa is /tutsu / = bad ; /tutsuquana / would be "bad smell". Nothing about "belly".
There has Long been confusion about Quanah Parker´s Name. From the earlist mentions of him, it was alternatively spelled Quanah and Quinnie, the latter mostly by the Army. And Parker wasn´t added until later. It wan´t until the 1880s that the spelling settled on Quanah.
/kwana/ - smell /kwinai/ - eagle
But which one , kwana or kwinai, was right ? Was Quinnie an attempt to spell /kwenai/ ?
That is uncertain.
Thank you very much tk, for your Information, very appreciated.