Post by ronpapandrea on Dec 10, 2012 18:33:07 GMT -5
I am working on a new edition of my book to reflect I no longer believe the "Canadian" Black Bull fought with the Metis and to indicate the photograph in question is a possible photograph of Black Bull and his wife. As usual, I will cite my sources. Thanks to everyone for your help!
The photograph of the Black Bull family is the one in the Denver Library. The version of the photograph published in two books published in 1891 have different captioning: Frank Yates becomes Frank Gates. Lone Bull becomes Black Bull Bear. Charles B. Gordon has a nickname added (Deadwood Charlie). Mrs. Feather On-his-head becomes Mrs. Black Bull Bear. Which version is more correct? The 1891 book version is copied in a family history "The Mack and Sine Families". Rev. Mack was posted in Moose Jaw in 1892. This family history is located in the Moose Jaw Library and in the main Detroit Library (Burton Collection). If Frank Yates is really Frank Gates, it throws my dating of the photograph (1875-1876) in question. I have assumed that the Denver Library version is more correct. If the only woman in the photograph is Mrs. Black Bull, the indians standing near her have to be her husband and son. The husband is shown wearing a badge. The grave stone of Mrs. Black Bull in Moose Jaw has a badge carved around the inscription.
The clearest version of this photo yet. Ofen identified as Spotted Eagle (doubtless because of the club the man is carrying, Ron Papandrea thinks this shows Black Bull, some of his people, some policemen and, I guess, some Metis, in the Moose Jaw River Valley with the Tatawaw Hills in the background, in 1885. If you blow it up a little, it's clear it's not Spotted Eagle.
Always assuming the man with the club isn't the head soldier and Black Bull isn't one of the others in the photo, of course...
I don't whether your aware that there has been a discussion concerning this photograph on the little Bighorn Associates board, as to whether teh man with the club is Long Dog.
Now I know that Long Dog was photographed a number of times clutching a very similar club, and that what's more he was in Canada at the time,but this man looks much younger than Long Dog does in the photos I've seen, so who knows, for the image itself, although you've done a good job zooming in on the individual, is for me, still inconclusive.
Oh by the way, the discussion is in General Discussions and Debates.
Nice to hear from you. It's a different Long Dog. Surely they know the other Long Dog came back to the USA and was photographed by Barry and Scott, probably around this time this image was taken. You're right, 'Crazy Jack' is clearly younger, particularly if this photo is from 1885. I'm sticking with Ron Papandrea's assertion that this is Black Bull's band (though I've also seen them labelled Cree...) and I would guess the photo was taken around the same time the other was. If that's Black Bull in the centre wearing pants rather than leggings (and remember, this group of people had been working for their white neighbours in Moose Jaw for four years, if this is from 1885), then that may well be him second from left in the second photo.
Here's the other Long Dog (the one they're talking about on the LBHA board):
With George Wells at Fort Walsh, 1877 (or earlier)
Photo by George Scott, Fort Yates, eight to ten years later so it's plain, even at that distance, that this isn't the man in the Black Bull photo.
Last Edit: Sept 28, 2020 13:41:08 GMT -5 by grahamew
Going back to the first post in this thread, here are the pages from Alexander Campbell's An Account of the Advance of the 7th Fusiliers of London to aid in the suppression of the North West Rebellion, referring to the Lakota at Moose Jaw:
There are several illustrations in the book which the online introduction claims have been worked up from field sketches and that's what I took the one of the man in the warbonnet to be - a finished illustration based on a field sketch of Black Bull.
Here's Iron Owl, a Raphael Tuck postcard image from the early 1900s and it's clear it's the same man, with some slight modifications:
Could it be based on Black Bull, however? Turns out not. Iron Owl was a Yankton man, photographed in 1905:
I also hold up my hands for posting this on the wrong part of the board, because at the time, I assumed Black Bull was a Hunkpapa, whereas it turns out he was Sicangu.
Last Edit: Sept 28, 2020 13:18:45 GMT -5 by grahamew
Long Dog, the Hunkpapa, has his age given as 60 (which would be about right judging from the photos above) in 1881 in the Sitting Bull Surrender Census. A member of Crow King's band, he later transferred to a Yanktonai band. If that photo was taken in 1885, it's not him.