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Post by grahamew on Feb 24, 2009 2:28:58 GMT -5
Can anyone please tell me more about this man? I'm assuming he's Hunkpapa because he was the leader of Sitting Bull's people who remained in Canada. Although unlabelled, from its context I think this is meant to be him; it's from 'An Account of the Advance of the 7th Fusiliers of London to aid in the suppression of the North West Rebellion' by Alexander Campbell, a sergeant with the 7th Fusiliers during the Northwest Riel Rebellion. He met the Lakota at Moose Jaw and provides an interesting and admiring picture of them on the. He later worked up the sketches he made into watercolours and included them in his narrative. He refers to Black Bull as Sitting Bull's "brother", but as far as I know there is no family connection. The whole narrative is available here: scaa.sk.ca/ourlegacy/solr?query=N....ode=view&po s=0 I'd also like to know if it's the same Black Bull photographed (twice, I think) by Barry. I suspect not, unless he returned to the US soon after 1885...
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Post by ladonna on Feb 24, 2009 13:01:40 GMT -5
Sorry he not a brother to sitting bull
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Post by grahamew on Feb 24, 2009 14:11:43 GMT -5
Donovin Sprague's picture book about the Standing Rock Sioux includes a telegram from Moose Jaw (30 Sept 1884) to notify that the Hunkpapa Black Bull did not return to the US. Attached to it is an Indian drawing of a Black Bull and notes "Tatanka Sappa, Right Bearer to Tatanka Yotaka (sic) or Sitting Bull in the Custer Massacre." Below it, Sprague reprints the following photo, stating that is the same Black Bull, taken in 1900 at Crane's Studio, July 13 and noting that he had returned to the US and served as a scout at Fort Yates: This is clearly the same man taken a few years earlier by Barry: and so is this (on the Canonball Reservation? Anyone know the photographer or date?):
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Post by ladonna on Feb 24, 2009 15:42:55 GMT -5
Cannon Ball is a district of Standing Rock
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Post by grahamew on Feb 24, 2009 16:15:18 GMT -5
Thanks, Ladonna.
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Post by elevine on Feb 24, 2009 17:53:14 GMT -5
There's a lot of info on Black Bull in Papandrea's book "They Never Surrendered: The Lakota Sioux Band That Stayed in Canada." He says that Black Bull was Sicangu. This is a great book for those who don't know about it.
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Post by grahamew on Feb 25, 2009 2:17:56 GMT -5
I've read that he was Sicangu too and I wonder if a) the man above is Hunkpapa b) he's the Brule who surrendered at Standing Rock who, perhaps, had family connections there c) he's a different Black Bull
My copy of Papandrea's book was ordered last night, Elevine, so it'll be a week at least before it arrives, but I'm looking forward to it. Does it say when/whether Black Bull returned to the US?
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Post by grahamew on Feb 25, 2009 2:34:15 GMT -5
Also, does anyone know if that last photo is a Barry?
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Post by elevine on Feb 25, 2009 10:33:18 GMT -5
Papandrea says Black Bull died at Moose Jaw in 1897 (in Canada); I don't think he ever came came back. His wife, Tasinaskawin--also Sicangu--died in 1910. There is a a photo in the book of Black Bull, but I find the captioning confusing. Perhaps you could compare to see if these are different men. The Moose Jaw Black Bull's full name may be Black Bull Bear---and that may be the cause of some of the confusion. I don't remember when the earliest census of Sicangu was taken, but you might check there. Also, there are a few other books on the Canadian Sioux that would probably have info. There's more good sources in Pap.'s endnotes. Try this book too: Living with strangers : the nineteenth-century Sioux and the Canadian-American borderlands / David G. McCrady McCrady, David G Lincoln : University of Nebraska Press, c2006. This is a great book in expanding our view of D/Lakota in the borderlands. The best thing is just to contact the people, the family up at Moose Jaw. I know he lost a child and grandchild, but I imagine there's still some folks up there that can help you. Sometimes we run around looking at books and in archives, while the family is still around and perfectly happy to talk with with us. Good luck, grahamew. LaDonna, the book says Black Bull was a nephew of Sitting Bull... what do you think of that? I don't know the genealogy well enough.
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Post by grahamew on Feb 25, 2009 11:21:26 GMT -5
Thanks. I have the McCrady book and the one by James Howard on the Canadian Sioux; they're both good, although the latter isn't really a history.
That's interesting about Black Bull not returning; so the Black Bull above is not the man who led the Canadian Teton after Sitting Bull returned to the US - although the painting may still represent him!
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Post by Dietmar on Feb 25, 2009 11:30:18 GMT -5
The book of Ron Papandrea is indeed a good one. I know he visited the LBH.info boards a while ago, so hopefully he´ll find us here, too.
However, I have my doubts about the alleged photograph of Black Bull in the book. It´s a group photograph of Whites (Frank Yates & Deadwood Charlie) and Lakotas that is said to be taken in 1875 or 1876. In my opinion it looks more like a 1880ies or 1890ies photo. The incription in the photo shows the name Lone Bull, not Black Bull or Black Bull Bear. I´ll try to post it later.
I second elevine about the McGrady book. You must have it on your bookshelf!
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Post by Dietmar on Feb 25, 2009 15:09:32 GMT -5
According to Ron Papandrea, Black Bull was one of the Lakota leader in Canada. He was a veteran of the LBH battle in 1876, where he was wounded in the leg, hence his nickname “Lame Brule”. He later fought at the Battle of Batoche during the Metis Rebellion of 1885 and was wounded again. If the Sicangu Black Bull never left Canada after 1876, then it isn´t likely that he was photographed several times by D.F. Barry. Therefore I think the Black Bull in the Barry photos must be another man, possibly a Hunkpapa. In Heski´s “Little Shadow Catcher” the following is said about this Black Bull: “Black Bull known as a wag and a wit, carried a bundle of papers from various white men stating that he was a chief and deserved special consideration. He told the commission that if they wanted to buy Indian land, the Indians were willing to sell it at a fair price. He suggested that they bring in a big scale. The Indians would weigh the earth and sell it by the pound.” (page 104) Here´s another portrait of him… by Barry I think: …and this is the alleged Black Bull Family photo: If memory serves me I copied it from the Denver Public Library, where it was among the Barry photos (?).
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Post by grahamew on Feb 25, 2009 15:13:14 GMT -5
Thanks. Here's a photo of the Lakota at Moose Jaw being fed - presumably some sort of diplomatic/social affair - at the time of the Northwest Rebellion by members of the Halifax Battalion. As you can see, the inscription is misleading, because there are men present. Wonder if one of them is Black Bull...
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Post by Dietmar on Feb 25, 2009 15:22:12 GMT -5
Black Bull was also one of the chiefs in the parade at the meeting of the Constitutional Convention at Bismark, North Dakota, on July 4th, 1889, when Hairy Chin lead the parade costumed as Uncle Sam.
...Black Bull was one of the signers of the Fort Laramie Treaty of 1868 as a Yanktonai.
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Post by grahamew on Feb 25, 2009 15:28:27 GMT -5
The curtain/drape is seen in the background of Goff's studio photos, I think, so I guess this an 'early' photo. You're right, the second photo looks a lot later than 1875. Hairstyles, long breast plates... 1890s?
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