The famous J. D. Hutton photo of a group of Arapaho leaders (Friday is on the right); taken in 1859 on the 1859-60 War Department expedition (commanded by Captain William F. Raynolds) to the headwaters of the Missouri and Yellowstone Rivers:
A less well-known photo clearly taken at the same sitting:
Post by loveamericanhistory on Sept 5, 2014 9:37:50 GMT -5
Hello forum. I am new and am trying to join in on your great forum. I collect tintypes, ambrotypes, CDV's and came across this tintype of two Native Americans. I think they are from the Arapaho Tribe? From the looks of this forum we have quite a few experts on images. These gentleman needs to be named. I am hoping so. My problem is not being able to size down to 1 MB to post the picture. Maybe someone could post it for me by email? I would love to name these two. My email is firstname.lastname@example.org Thank you Bill
Post by likeamericanhistory on Sept 6, 2014 9:46:08 GMT -5
I collect historic images and the seller thought they were Arapaho or Cheyenne since it came from Southern California. One can be told anything. I had stumbled onto this great site and noticing the study of the American Indians. The history of the Indian has always fascinated me and the sadness of how they were treated. I would like put names on these two if possible with the help and expertise of the forum. Thank you Dietmar for posting the picture. Bill
Post by likeamericanhistory on Sept 7, 2014 17:39:51 GMT -5
Forum, what is the best source for viewing Native Americans in the 19th century? I am new at researching this part of history. I have data bases for the Civil War soldiers. I hate having images in my collection with out doing my best to identify the people. I love the way you guys strive to identify images of history. Is there any thing to look for that certain tribes wear? The man standing has what looks like a winchester rifle under his blanket. Dating this tintype to probably the 1860's would they be allowed to carry a rifle unless they were a police? What is the badge he is wearing? Thank you for the help. Bill
Historian, I have the photo you've listed as "Friday, Crazy Bull – Arapaho – 1873" in my files, but I have Friday's photographer listed as Antonio Zen Shindler, taken in 1869. That information came from the Smithsonian National Anthropological Archives, Smithsonian Museum Support Center, Suitland, Maryland. Anyway, I've always assumed Friday was the person who was named by Fitzpatrick and Sublette, as described by Rufus Sage: books.google.com/books?id=vwQyAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA359&lpg=PA359#v=onepage&q&f=true
Historian, The screen on this iPad jumps as the pictures are loading, and that threw me off. You have the year that Friday's photo was taken 1869, just as I do (9th from the top in the list on the first page). Do you think Friday "Crazy Bull" (taken in 1873) might be the same guy?
Friday was five or six years old when Thomas Fitzpatrick found him in 1831. He was reunited with his parents and his Arapaho tribe seven years later. My notes say he was living at a location far away during the Sand Creek massacre. He would have been 43 or 44 in 1869 when the photo was taken. user.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/html/camp_nar.html A NARRATIVE OF COLONEL ROBERT CAMPBELL'S EXPERIENCES IN THE ROCKY MOUNTAIN FUR TRADE FROM 1825 TO 1835 "In the Spring of 1831 I was at Lexington, Mo., and met Fitzpatrick coming in on his way from the Indian Country. He had with him an Indian boy, named Friday, whom he found on the Plains. The boy did not know what nation he belonged to. He belonged to the Arapahoes, as subsequently ascertained. Friday became a well known Character on the Plains."