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Post by grahamew on Mar 30, 2020 12:38:36 GMT -5
Terrific find!
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Post by Dietmar on Mar 30, 2020 12:59:57 GMT -5
If we take the names from the previous photo at Smithsonian the delegates are (left to right):
Bear Skin, Living Bear, Red Dog, Rocky Bear, Red Fox
I believe we can be certain of Living Bear, Red Dog and Rocky Bear, because they all have various other portraits to compare with.
Black Hawk was indeed one of the 1870 delegates, but if he is in the picture, he can only replace either Bear Skin or Red Fox.
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Post by grahamew on Mar 30, 2020 13:04:45 GMT -5
Well, the man to the left of Red Dog (our view) is surely Living Bear - isn't he? The man kneeling at the right of the photo may be Red Fly, who has a kind of long face, though this is not much to go on. No idea about the other. I see the name Sky Bear rather than Bear Skin  |
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Post by Dietmar on Mar 30, 2020 13:11:58 GMT -5
I would agree there is a strong resemblance to Red Fly, especially his mouth and jaw. Please compare also to the front portrait at Haskell Museum.
Red Fly is often mentioned as one of the delegates.
I thought it reads ...ky Bear (Rocky Bear) and the first letters are illegible.
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Post by grahamew on Mar 30, 2020 14:52:27 GMT -5
 I think we may have a result there. And I see what you mean by "...ky Bear." |
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Post by Dietmar on Mar 31, 2020 3:41:14 GMT -5
Yes, that´s the Haskell Museum portrait I meant. Here´s a Wikipedia page about General John E. Smith, who accompanied the delegation: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_E._SmithMr. Beauvais is likely Geminien Pierre Beauvais, a former trader and favorite of Red Cloud, who wanted him as superintendent of his agency in 1870. He was also known as James Peter Beauvais ("Jim"), but I hope others know more about him. |
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Post by kingsleybray on Mar 31, 2020 7:51:53 GMT -5
an amazing find, Dietmar! Thanks so much for sharing it with us all. Thoughts to follow.
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Post by gregor on Apr 1, 2020 7:24:45 GMT -5
Good find Dietmar! Is it Brady or Gardner? I once put names in the photo. All names were listed in contemporary articles etc. Only with regard to Red Fly / Red Fox was a lack of agreement.
--> see pic below
click 2 x on the photo and you get a bigger one!
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Post by Dietmar on Apr 1, 2020 7:29:19 GMT -5
Thanks Gregor, but I believe you have to exchange the names of Living Bear and Red Fly.
I know, their names were recorded incorrectly on the SIRIS photo.
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Post by gregor on Apr 1, 2020 7:43:55 GMT -5
Oh yeah, I think you are right :-) Voila!  Don't forget to click on the pic! |
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Post by Dietmar on Apr 1, 2020 7:54:33 GMT -5
Btw, a nice way to upload your photo!
There is no ultimate proof, but from what I see in both photos and all the newspaper articles I have read about the delegation trip, it is more probable that it is Red Fly than Red Fox.
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Post by ephriam on May 14, 2021 19:00:15 GMT -5
Thank you, Dietmar, for posting this new great photograph! I have not seen this image before.
Yes, the man seated in the back on the right is Geminian Pierre Beauvais (1815-1878). Charles Hanson wrote a great biography of this important trader in The Mountain Men and the Fur Trade of the Far West, volume 7, pp. 35-43. There is also a brief biography of Beauvais and an earlier portrait in Watkins, History of Nebraska, vol. 3 pp. 583-584.
Ephriam
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Post by johnburkholder on Jul 30, 2024 15:13:54 GMT -5
This is probably Paul Narcelle, the father of Narcisse Narcelle,isn´t it? |
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Post by johnburkholder on Jul 30, 2024 15:20:09 GMT -5
This is probably Paul Narcelle, the father of Narcisse Narcelle,isn´t it? Yes the Narcelles were French Canadians involved in the fur trade along the upper Missouri. They married into the tribe. The 1880 Dakota Territory census finds some of them in the vicinity of Fort Pierre. |
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