Post by wolfgang911 on Apr 7, 2009 16:46:37 GMT -5
I just noticed a minor detail : photos from comanches and kiowas seen in birdview from 1870-1900 > they mostly look better and more native on the later photos as the oldest ones; there are hardly andy furlocks (braids, forgot the english name) on the old ones, merely lose hair or clothrolled braids. whilst like the comanche they all have fur around 1890... Someone has a guess why? Quanah parkers infuence?
Indeed they looked cool and pleased the photographers : well in that case why did you cut them off :-( / :-(!!!
This is a great website, and this is my first post. Thanks to grahamew from the littlebighorn.info board for telling me about this board.
I am pretty sure that Mrs. Laura Pedrick (pictured above) is the daughter of Wooden Lance, or Apiatan. (also pictured above) But, I'd have to pull out some files and research it to be sure. Wooden Lance was a son of the Kiowa, Red Otter, who was a half brother to Chief Lone Wolf. (the great warrior Chief Lone Wolf, and not Mamaydayte, also called Lone Wolf.)
I've found info who was portrayed in "In winter. Kiowa":
"From left to right: Jim Ah-Keah-Boat (Two Hatchet); Frank Tobah (To-Bah, ca. 1873-1914) or his brother Doyebi (ca. 1862-ca. 1903); Jimmy Hummingbird (ca. 1879-ca. 1910). Photographed at the U.S. Indian Congress of the Trans-Mississippi and International Exposition in Omaha, 1898."
from what I know this is a portrait of Poor Bear, Kiowa-Apache chief, and Caddo Jake, both part of the Southern Plains delegation in 1863 to Washington. Which leads me to the conclusion that the portrait of Satank, which is published in numerous books and all across the internet is perhaps not him but also Poor Bear. At least this is stuff for discussion (I remember I chatted with Grahame about it in another thread). William S. Soule selled the portrait as one of his own photographs, but perhaps he just copied it from one of the earlier delegation pictures.
I know that would be kind of disappointing, because it would mean there is no authentic portrait of Satank.
I agree that the man in the photograph recently posted bears a strong resemblance to the man we have always thought to be Santank, in fact I would go so far as to say there is no doubt that this is the same man. One can tell there must have been some confusion when it came to identifying these two individuals as someone has written the word Sioux below the photograph, although neither man looks like a Sioux. The thing is that one of these photographs has been wrongly labeled but how do we tell which one is correct?How many photographs are there of the man known as Santank? Now that I think of it I am only familiar with the one you see in every almost every book that deals with these tribes. Of course this is nothing new, for as you and many others out there will know, authors and editors are often very slack when comes to naming certain individuals in their books.
right, we don´t have a comparison portrait neither of Satank nor of Poor Bear (although I hope the Lawrence T. Jones III collection will be fully available online soon and will present us some surprises). But what we know is that the photo with Caddo Jake was part of a series of photographs taken in 1863 of said delegation. We also know that Kiowa-Apache leader Poor Bear was on the list of delegates as were Lone Wolf, Little Heart, Ten Bears and othere representatives of the Kiowa, Comanche, Arapaho and Cheyenne. Satank was not a delegate then, so although it´s always difficult to say you´re sure 100 percent, to me it seems much more likely both pictures show Poor Bear than Satank.