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Post by Historian on Jan 27, 2009 0:13:32 GMT -5
Eonah-pah (Trailing the Enemy) and wife - Kiowa - 1870  Stumbling Bear - Kiowa - 1870  Gui-Kati (Sleeping Wolf) - Kiowa - 1872  Guipago (Lone Wolf) - Kiowa - 1872  Satanta (White Bear) - Kiowa - no date  Zepko Eta (Big Bow) and other Kiowa men - 1880  Mopa (son of Wooden Lance) - Kiowa - 1891  Inali - Kiowa - 1892  Mali, Johnny Zontom, Aisimi, and unidentified girl - Kiowa - 1892  Do-Pe and unidentified girl - Kiowa - 1892  Ongotoya (Solitary Traveler) and son - Kiowa - 1892  children of Ongotoya (Solitary Traveler) - Kiowa - 1892  Kiowa girl - 1892  Haumpy - Kiowa - 1892  Hodetaide - Kiowa - 1892  George Mopope - Kiowa - 1892  Aisima (Tipi Track Woman) - Kiowa - 1893  Kiowa woman and children - 1893  Tsendon (Horse Hunter) - Kiowa - 1893  Apiatan (Wooden Lance) - Kiowa - 1894  Ah-Keah-Boat (Two Hatchet) - Kiowa - 1898  Kiowa man - 1898  Tonhadel (Broken Leg) - 1898  Kau-Lay-Ty - Kiowa - 1898  Kiowa man - 1898  Kiowa sisters - 1900  Kiowa girls - no date  White Horse; Saun-tay; Aun-ke-boat (Two Hatchet Jim); Pau-tay; Tan-gudle; Gou-say (Ida Hummingbird Lonewolf); Lizzie Woodard; Yea-qya-taup (Mary Buffalo); and Bo-lo (wife of Aun-ke-boat) - Kiowa - 1905  Kiowa couple - 1910  Emhaua (Rescuer) and wife - Kiowa - 1913  |
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Post by Historian on Apr 6, 2009 12:37:13 GMT -5
Big Bow - Kiowa - 1867  Woman's Heart - Kiowa - 1867  Young Man - Kiowa - 1867  Kicking Bird - Kiowa - 1868  Trotting Wolf and wife - Kiowa - no date  Satanta (White Bear) - Kiowa - 1870  Satanta (White Bear) - Kiowa - no date  Kicking Bird - Kiowa - 1870  Lone Wolf - Kiowa - 1870  Sitting In The Saddle (son of Lone Wolf) - Kiowa - no date  Kiowa women - circa 1870  Trailing The Enemy with wife - Kiowa - 1870  Big Tree - Kiowa - 1870  Big Tree - Kiowa - no date  Big Tree's sister - Kiowa - 1870  Satank (Sitting Bear) - Kiowa - no date  White Horse - Kiowa - 1870  Kiowa men - no date  Young Woman - Kiowa - no date  Pai-Talyi (aka Son Of The Sun, aka Sun Boy) Kiowa - 1872  Sitting In The Saddle (son of Lone Wolf) - Kiowa - 1890?  Running Horse - Kiowa - 1890?  Kiowa men - 1892  Wooden Lance - Kiowa - 1892  Big Bow - Kiowa - 1892  Big Bow - Kiowa - 1893  Horse Hunter with wife and sones - Kiowa - 1893  Tonhadal (aka Broken Leg, aka Mrs. Laura Pedrick- Kiowa - 1898  Ah-Keah-Boat (aka Jim Two Hatchet) - Kiowa - 1898  Running Bird - Kiowa - 1913  |
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Post by charlie on Apr 7, 2009 8:10:57 GMT -5
Great images! I am sure that the photo under "Woman's Heart", labelled "Young man-Kiowa", belonged to a great warrior named MAMAY DAY TE, adopted son of chief Lone Wolf.
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Post by wolfgang911 on Apr 7, 2009 16:46:37 GMT -5
I just noticed a minor detail : photos from comanches and kiowas seen in birdview from 1870-1900 > they mostly look better and more native on the later photos as the oldest ones;
there are hardly andy furlocks (braids, forgot the english name) on the old ones, merely lose hair or clothrolled braids. whilst like the comanche they all have fur around 1890...
Someone has a guess why? Quanah parkers infuence?
Indeed they looked cool and pleased the photographers : well in that case why did you cut them off :-( / :-(!!!
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Post by hako on May 31, 2009 14:37:42 GMT -5
In Winter, Kiowa 1898 by Frank A. Rinehart *sitting at the left - Ah-Keah-Boat (aka Jim Two Hatchet)  *from americanart.si.edu |
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Post by wolfgang911 on Jun 7, 2009 16:24:43 GMT -5
tis w
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Post by wolfgang911 on Jun 7, 2009 16:25:59 GMT -5
sorry
this was a picture dedicated by the ol' kiowa for american tribes.com for the identify specialists! :-)
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Post by wyman on Jul 8, 2009 21:17:41 GMT -5
This is a great website, and this is my first post. Thanks to grahamew from the littlebighorn.info board for telling me about this board.
I am pretty sure that Mrs. Laura Pedrick (pictured above) is the daughter of Wooden Lance, or Apiatan. (also pictured above) But, I'd have to pull out some files and research it to be sure. Wooden Lance was a son of the Kiowa, Red Otter, who was a half brother to Chief Lone Wolf. (the great warrior Chief Lone Wolf, and not Mamaydayte, also called Lone Wolf.)
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hako
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Post by hako on Jul 19, 2009 20:11:41 GMT -5
I've found info who was portrayed in "In winter. Kiowa":
"From left to right: Jim Ah-Keah-Boat (Two Hatchet); Frank Tobah (To-Bah, ca. 1873-1914) or his brother Doyebi (ca. 1862-ca. 1903); Jimmy Hummingbird (ca. 1879-ca. 1910). Photographed at the U.S. Indian Congress of the Trans-Mississippi and International Exposition in Omaha, 1898."
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Post by jeroen on Aug 29, 2009 3:15:17 GMT -5
The Kiowa delegation that visited Washington in 1863 along with a number of Cheyenne leaders...  |
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Post by Dietmar on Aug 29, 2009 5:30:53 GMT -5
Thanks for uploading this scan, Jeroen. I copy it also for the 1863 delegation thread.
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Post by jeroen on Aug 3, 2010 5:28:31 GMT -5
 This is said to be Kiowa chief Satank with a Caddo man... Can this be confirmed? |
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Post by Dietmar on Aug 4, 2010 5:32:48 GMT -5
Jeroen,
from what I know this is a portrait of Poor Bear, Kiowa-Apache chief, and Caddo Jake, both part of the Southern Plains delegation in 1863 to Washington. Which leads me to the conclusion that the portrait of Satank, which is published in numerous books and all across the internet is perhaps not him but also Poor Bear. At least this is stuff for discussion (I remember I chatted with Grahame about it in another thread).
William S. Soule selled the portrait as one of his own photographs, but perhaps he just copied it from one of the earlier delegation pictures.
I know that would be kind of disappointing, because it would mean there is no authentic portrait of Satank.
Any opinions?
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Post by shan on Aug 4, 2010 9:04:14 GMT -5
Dietmar,
I agree that the man in the photograph recently posted bears a strong resemblance to the man we have always thought to be Santank, in fact I would go so far as to say there is no doubt that this is the same man. One can tell there must have been some confusion when it came to identifying these two individuals as someone has written the word Sioux below the photograph, although neither man looks like a Sioux.
The thing is that one of these photographs has been wrongly labeled but how do we tell which one is correct?How many photographs are there of the man known as Santank? Now that I think of it I am only familiar with the one you see in every almost every book that deals with these tribes.
Of course this is nothing new, for as you and many others out there will know, authors and editors are often very slack when comes to naming certain individuals in their books.
Low Dog
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Post by Dietmar on Aug 5, 2010 7:41:14 GMT -5
Shan,
right, we don´t have a comparison portrait neither of Satank nor of Poor Bear (although I hope the Lawrence T. Jones III collection will be fully available online soon and will present us some surprises).
But what we know is that the photo with Caddo Jake was part of a series of photographs taken in 1863 of said delegation. We also know that Kiowa-Apache leader Poor Bear was on the list of delegates as were Lone Wolf, Little Heart, Ten Bears and othere representatives of the Kiowa, Comanche, Arapaho and Cheyenne.
Satank was not a delegate then, so although it´s always difficult to say you´re sure 100 percent, to me it seems much more likely both pictures show Poor Bear than Satank.
Best regards
Dietmar
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