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Post by gorkinoff on Dec 14, 2008 23:53:14 GMT -5
"White Man Runs Him (Maschidit-kudush) a Crow Scout under Custer...66 Years Old, living near Lodge Grass, Montana." As White Man Runs Him was born c. 1854, the date of these photos is close to 1920. White Man Runs Him was married seven times, and had children with six of his wives. He was the last surviving member of the six Crow men who had scouted for George Custer in June, 1876. White Man Runs Him died in 1928, and is buried in the heroes' cemetery at Little Bighorn National Monument. Brave Bear, Southern Cheyenne, "73 years old, now living at Thomas, Oklahoma." A member of the Dog Soldier Society who survived the U.S. Army attack at Summit Springs, Colorado, in July 1869, Brave Bear thereafter joined the Northern Cheyenne, among whom he married. He was in the great village of Cheyenne and allied Lakota on the Little Bighorn River, Montana, when it was attacked by the Seventh U. S. Cavalry under Lt. Col. George Custer, June 25, 1876. Brave Bear first helped to defend the Hunkpapa Lakota village attacked by the diversionary force under Major Marcus Reno. During this preliminary engagement Brave Bear dueled with the Crow scout White Swan and lanced him in the face while the Crow shot at him with a rifle. All Cheyennes considered that the bravest coup during the Reno engagement. When Custer's force attacked near the Cheyenne village, Brave Bear rode there to defend his family and crossed the river to repel the soldiers. He was active in the fighting at Calhoun Hill. When those soldiers were overrun and tried to escape to Last Stand Hill, Brave Bear encountered an officer on a sorrel horse--the only man still mounted--who tried to cover the retreat of his men. This officer shot a Lakota Shirt Wearer, and then a Cheyenne when they charged on him. Immediately afterward, Brave Bear shot him off his horse. From the circumstances, Brave Bear must have been the man who killed Captain Myles Keogh, and wounded his famous horse Comanche.
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Post by Dietmar on Dec 15, 2008 10:44:36 GMT -5
Thanks Jon,
two wonderful photos I haven´t seen before. I hope we can assemble more material of both men in the future, I remember we had an earlier photo of Brave Bear on the LBH boards... I will repost it later.
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Post by jinlian on Dec 18, 2008 7:40:52 GMT -5
Beautiful pictures, Jon. Our fellow member Henri also provided a lot of gorgeous images of White Man Runs Him, they can be viewed here: amertribes.proboards77.com/index.cgi?board=crow&action=display&thread=276&page=4I've recently ordered 2 books - White-Man-Runs-Him by Dennis Harcey and Grandmother's Grandchild: My Crow Indian Life by Alma Hogan Snell; hopefully there would be something there to share about White Man Runs Him and another of Custer's scout, Goes Ahead.
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Post by grahamew on Dec 18, 2008 14:25:28 GMT -5
" remember we had an earlier photo of Brave Bear on the LBH boards... I will repost it later." This one? By Snell; mid 80s?
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Post by markland on Feb 4, 2009 12:15:27 GMT -5
Hopefully this is the correct place for this. The URL below is a report from Capt. Frederick D. Grant, a.d.c. to Gen. Sheridan, dated Sept. 5, 1876 detailing his observations of the Brule, Cheyenne River, and Standing Rock Agencies. For the Cheyenne River Agency, it lists many warriors who had returned from the hostile camps and for some, what weapons they surrendered. At least two are indicated to have been wounded at the Custer fight. Anyway, I hope this helps someone. The source is National Archives Records Administration series M1495, 'Special Files' of Headquarters, Division of the Missouri, Relating to Military Operations and Administration, 1863-1885. The file is in PDF format and the URL is: freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~familyinformation/Custer/Hostiles/Grant_report_090576.pdfBilly
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Post by Henri on Feb 6, 2009 1:56:07 GMT -5
Thanks Billy, very interesting stuff to read. If you have more of this, please post. Henri
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Post by markland on Feb 6, 2009 18:12:24 GMT -5
Thanks Billy, very interesting stuff to read. If you have more of this, please post. Henri Henri, I am glad you liked it. I'm not sure how much I have that is purely relevant to this board but I'll let you guys know when I post something that looks close. I do know I have Miles's report of the murder of the Miniconjou <sp> headmen by the Crow during the winter of '77 as well as several pre-LBH reports on conditions at the various agencies. Perhaps they will be helpful to you all. Actually, what I intend to do is scan and post all the images from the Special File of the Div. of the Missouri dealing with the Great Sioux War but right now I am trying to get my head around how to organize it. They will not be great scans but they will be a) original source documents and b) mostly readable as far as copy quality goes (handwriting is another story entirely!). Anyway, be good, it is time for Happy Hour! Billy
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Post by Dietmar on Feb 8, 2009 15:49:13 GMT -5
Thanks a lot Billy,
excellent stuff. I have made a list of all the Indian names mentioned in the text:
Indians who returned from the hostile camp and delivered their arms: Whirling White Head Bull Eagle White Robe Fools Bear Takes Revenge Yellow Bear, Rattling Rib´s son, wounded in Custer fight Fast Horse Duck´s son, Left Handed Bear Pretty Bear Hair Pipe Earring His Battle The Running Bear or Round´s son Long Horn, Red Skirt´s brother One Kettle One-who-has-run-away-with-the-Horse One-that-makes-him-walk Standing Bear´s brother Young Wolf Earring The Scratcher Four others had promised to turn in their arms but had not done so.
Indians who not delivered their arms: The one-that-goes-home The-one-that-travels-among-the-lodges His Knife Rain-in-the-Face´s brother The Last One Knife Face´s son (brought in articles belonging to Gen. Custer) White Eagle, two nephews of Old Brule Woman The-one-that-was-stuck-with-the-arrow alias Blue Dirt´s son One-that-is-shaking-lying-down The-crow-that-shuts-his-eyes The Nose alias The Fool´s son Black Wolf, Lone Horn´s brother A brother of The Nose, (can´t find out his name at present) Has the Horns The Yellow Owl Charging Hawk, son of Roman Nose Feather-in-the-Ear and his brother (don´t know his name) Pumpkin Butte Left-handed-Bear The-first-one-in-the-charge-that-knocks-him-over and his brother, Log´s son Praerie Chicken Little Wound No. 2, Log´s nephew Put it in, Rattling Rib´s band Fish´s Body (wounded in Custer fight) Son of White Elk (don´t know his name) The Careless Runner Put-the-rock-in-his-mouth, Rattling Rib´s band Yellow-plaited-hair and two other Indians unknown belonging to Red Plume´s band son-in-law of Stripped-cloud Black Tongue With the Prairie Chicken, Duck´s band The Fastener, White Swan´s band The Snake, White Swan´s band One-that-puts-his-moccasins-on-early-in-the-morning The-one-who-…-fire-at-the-enemy
Chiefs who were still out with their men: Lone Dog, Uncpapa Scarlet Horn, Uncpapa Gall, Uncpapa Kill Eagle, Blackfoot Little Knife Loud-Voice-Bird Big Knee, Uncpapa Little Wound, Uncpapa Red Horn, Uncpapa
Unfortunately only a few bands were mentioned, Rattling Rib´s Two Kettles and White Swan´s Mniconjous for instance.
I wonder about some names: Black Wolf, Lone Horn´s brother? perhaps the Mniconjou Lone Horn?
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Post by markland on Feb 9, 2009 17:08:53 GMT -5
Dietmar, I was thinking that the bands might be identifiable by who was at which reservation. I am sure Ephraim will come to the rescue with that data.
I'll have some more reservation glimpses scanned soon. Likely no others will be as detailed insofar as names as that one was but we won't know till I look at the reports.
Billy
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Post by markland on Feb 10, 2009 8:50:40 GMT -5
Here is the report from General Miles of the murder of the five Miniconjou headmen in December 1876 by his Crow scouts. It is a PDF document (as usual) and honestly, the image quality is not world-shaking but as I told Henri, it is a fine line to walk between getting the image too light to read to hide the blemishes from the original document and dark enough to read with a few blemishes. Any Photoshop or other graphics application expert is welcome to come to the rescue. www.historicalresources.net/121776_Miles_DeptDak.pdfBilly
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Post by Dietmar on Feb 16, 2009 7:21:31 GMT -5
Billy,
many thanks again for this one. Very interesting.
The five headmen killed are given as: Bull Eagle Tall Bull Red Red Cloth and one other prominent chief
Could the last one be Sitting Bull, the Oglala, who also was reported to be killed at this incident?
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Post by jinlian on Feb 16, 2009 7:48:21 GMT -5
According to Catherine Price, it was indeed Sitting Bull the Oglala. I've the recollection of the incident as reported by White Man Runs Him (who was one of the Crow scouts involved), but don't think it would be of much interest here.
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Post by Dietmar on Feb 16, 2009 15:55:47 GMT -5
Spotted Elk, Miniconjou, stated in his account in 1877 to Colonel W. H. Wood (see: "Lakota & Cheyenne" by Jerome A. Greene) that the following Indians were killed: Sitting Bull, the Good The Yearling Fat Hide Red Skirt No. 2 Bad Leg
So here we have completely different names (except Red Skirt who very likely is Red Cloth)... different names for the same persons? ...or just wrong identifications/translations?
I think Kingsley said somewhere before that Hollow Horn also was killed.
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Post by Crazy hunter on Oct 13, 2010 9:22:45 GMT -5
Am i the only one that celebrated and remembers Victory Day( June 25 1876 ). My grandfather fought a fourty two mile running battle on horse back along the Yellowstone River against most powerful military fighting force in the world! He escaped with his life and had to go into exile in Canada with Sitting Bull. We are sorry for what happened two our Lakota brother Gen. George Armstong Custer but he broke his word not to attack or disarm us and they did both. I celebrated my Victory Day in the name of Chief Swift Bird with steaks on the grill for everybody!!! wow.. , nice to see yaa brother. im chinese.. i want to learn your language ,, can you help me £¿
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Post by Crazy hunter on Oct 17, 2010 14:41:25 GMT -5
can i know what did sitting bull and cheif gall do in the battle ?
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