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Post by gorkinoff on Dec 5, 2008 13:13:39 GMT -5
CETANWAKUAMANI (HE WHO HUNTS SPARROWHAWKS WALKING)-IS ANOTHER NAME FOR LITTLE CROW #4 (depending on the source)... CETANWAKUAMANI (17??-1846)SERVED IN THE WAR OF 1812 AGAINST THE UNITED STATES...ON THE SIDE OF BRITISH CANADA...SIGNED THE ZEBULON PIKE TREATY OF 1805 (CEDING THE LAND FOR FT. SNELLING TO THE U.S.)... THIS WOULD BE THE FATHER OF LITTLE CROW #5 (TAOYATEDUTA-HIS RED NATION (see photo))(18??-1863) --MDEWAKANTON CHIEF FROM THE MINNESOTA UPRISING... THIS PHOTO HAS TAOYATEDUTA LABELED AS: TSHE-TON-WA-KU-WA-MA-NI (HIS FATHERS NAME)...HE POSSIBLY ALSO WENT BY THIS NAME (CARRYING IT FORWARD)...BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT HIS ARM HAS BEEN BROKEN IN BOTH PHOTOS VERIFYING THAT IT IS TAOYATEDUTA...TAOYATEDUTA HAS A STORY WHERE HE WAS CHALLENGED BY TWO OF HIS BROTHERS FOR CHIEFTAINSHIP AND WAS SHOT THROUGH HIS ARM PERMANENTLY DEFORMING THEM...IF THERE IS ANY INTEREST I WILL ALSO POST THE STORY GORKINOFF
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Post by grahamew on Dec 6, 2008 4:14:09 GMT -5
Here are some more Little Crow photos: Little Crow and Chaska Little Crow by Frank Meyer (1851)
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Post by louisgarcia on Mar 20, 2009 12:42:31 GMT -5
Members: I don't think you are aware that there is big book, a biography of Little Crow by Mark Diedrich ( Rochester, MN) published by Coyote Books. It is a big soft cover book 8 1/2 X 11 and 350 some odd pages. I think the cost for the book is about $35.00, and the date of publication is perhaps 2007.
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Post by Californian on Nov 13, 2018 2:11:52 GMT -5
a further image of Little Crow dated 1858 while in Washington DC
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Post by Dietmar on Jul 9, 2019 9:22:17 GMT -5
Our member Sonny has sent me this information Little Crow´s son: This is William Cleveland Little Crow. However, he was only known as "Little Crow" until the 1890s when he converted to Christianity. The "Little Crow, Jr." is an accurate description. He was part of the exiled Dakota where he was relocated to the camps in Iowa and then to Santee, Nebraska. Settled on the Rosebud Reservation near present day Mosher, South Dakota. Very little information exists regarding Cleveland. There were many who went by that name in the SD region. ...this is Cleveland with his wife, Nellie (Red Dog) Little Crow: Thanky you, Sonny!
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Post by chicheman on Jul 10, 2019 5:29:41 GMT -5
Thanks to Sunny and Dietmar for sharing, danke ! Always interesting to learn more about Little Crow and his family. Looking forward for any new informations. chicheman
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Post by Californian on Jul 10, 2019 12:45:43 GMT -5
thank you both, Dietmar and Sonny - there is, to say the least, a lot of confusion surrounding the descendants of Little Crow. There is also Thomas Wowinape Wakeman with whom Little Crow was picking berries on that fateful day that he got shot by Nathan and Chauncey Lamson. See link on www.findagrave.com - www.findagrave.com/memorial/32739206/thomas-wakeman. Thomas is well documented and by all accounts seems to be a direct lineal son of Little Crow. However beyond Thomas Wakeman there are people claimed to be the latter's children (i.e. Little Crow's grandchildren) where it gets inconsistent, i.e. the dates do not match up - born several years after Thomas' death.
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Post by sonny on Jul 11, 2019 18:30:04 GMT -5
No problem! This photo has very little information on it. I've contacted the Smithsonian and the info that I was able to receive:
*Taken around 1862/1864
*Developed in 1869
*Published as "Little Crow, jr" in 'Outing Magazine' -- June, 1905
Cleveland was sent down to the Davenport, Iowa camps post-war -- same time as Wowinape?
The info on him during his stay in Minnesota is on my to-do list.
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Post by Dietmar on Jul 12, 2019 7:03:00 GMT -5
I think there are some things that need further discussion. First, the old portrait identified by some archives as Little Crow. It seems a "Jr." is added, to distinguish him from the earlier Little Crow, who for example signed the Treaty of Prairie du Chien in 1825. Clearly he is not the Little Crow of 1862, who only was photographed in Washington 1858 and probably a year later by Whitney in Minnesota. But is he his son? I´m at least skeptical. Surely this is an early photograph, taken perhaps in the early 1860s. Until now I thought he could be an Ojibwa. A second portrait of the man was posted on Ebay some time ago:
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Post by cinye78 on Jul 12, 2019 8:12:24 GMT -5
I spoke to one member of the Little Crow (kangicistidan - a dynasty name) family. He says the family never herd of a William Little Crow. I have read about A Chief Little Crow located on the Sioux Valley Reserve in Manitoba, Canada. This is probably the man in photographs. Oak River Reserve # 58 changed its name in 1961 to Sioux Valley. Louie Garcia, Ft. Totten, ND
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Post by grahamew on Jul 12, 2019 12:13:04 GMT -5
Wowinape, 1864 And again... 1863 Thomas Wakeman - Wowinape in later life This is supposed to be Wakeman sitting at the centre of this group in 1887. I don't see it, to be honest. Little Crow's wife and children - both boys and clearly neither is Wowinape Little Crow's daughters - one of which is Mary Little Crow Renville, Fort Snelling, 1862? 1864? Little Crow - father of the subject of this thread? And again Little Crow by Frank Blackwell Mayer, 1851 Little Crow (left) and White Cap, refugees of the Minnesota massacre. This isn't THE Little Crow. I think it's 1881 at Fort Qu'Appelle, thouigh it could be a Boundary Commission sketch made in 1874. If it is 1881, White Cap's clothing is remarkably native bearing in mind what he looks like four years later. So... it would appear there was another Dakota Little Crow who made it to Canada and stayed there.
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Post by Dietmar on Jul 12, 2019 15:33:01 GMT -5
This is a comparison sent in by Sonny:
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Post by sonny on Jul 12, 2019 15:48:29 GMT -5
Thanks! Mind you, these photos are roughly 40 years apart. Cleveland was at least in his late 80s here.
The one reference that I can find on Cleveland that directly links him to Taoyateduta is in the book "Who's Who Among the Sioux" published in the early 80s iirc.
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Post by Dietmar on Jul 13, 2019 6:07:51 GMT -5
It's not that I'm necessarily going to disagree, but I´m still struggling with the alleged two early portraits of Little Crow Jr.
If it was indeed taken around 1860, the dates don´t match with the information on Cleveland Little Crow.
The picture above (scanned from which book?) states William Cleveland was born 'before 1863' and died 1924.
Let´s say he was even born as early as his sisters Emma or Jane, then he would be not older than 16 or 11 in 1860. The man in the two photos appears as a much older tribal leader, even if you shift the date of the photos to 1870.
I know there are a lot unanswered questions (who took the photos, and when exactly), but that´s my opinion at the moment.
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Post by Dietmar on Jul 13, 2019 6:20:31 GMT -5
...to go back to my Ojibwa theory, here is a portrait of an Ojibwa delegate who as I think resembles the man in the photos: Mazym-Me, Chippewa, National Portrait Gallery, London
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