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Post by grahamew on Jun 17, 2024 4:09:56 GMT -5
![](https://i.postimg.cc/0jzp1prP/f1e896e41b160722f3d0885932e03f4b.jpg) This is the image I've seen identified as LIttle Bull and Red Shirt
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Post by rudolf on Jun 17, 2024 5:40:26 GMT -5
Thank you grahamew. Yes this is the postcard from 1914 that I described. It is part of a postcard series of the 101 Ranch Wild West show from Oklahoma. The postcard series was "Printed and Published by Gale & Polden Ltd, London. Aldershot and Portsmouth" as can be read on the back of the card.
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Post by rudolf on Jun 17, 2024 6:14:05 GMT -5
My collection contains a total of 23 old postcards from two series of the 101 Ranch Real Wild West show in London. The Indian and white employees of the show are depicted as people and during their performances. The show appeared during the great "Anglo-American Exposition", Sepherd's Bush in London.
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Post by Dietmar on Jun 17, 2024 8:24:34 GMT -5
I know, this picture has always been identified as Little Bull and Red Shirt, but in my opinion the man on left is rather Yellow Boy: ![https://i.postimg.cc/0jzp1prP/f1e896e41b160722f3d0885932e03f4b.jpg](https://i.postimg.cc/0jzp1prP/f1e896e41b160722f3d0885932e03f4b.jpg)
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Post by Dietmar on Jun 17, 2024 8:31:23 GMT -5
I believe this to be William Bear Shield on left and Mrs. Eagle Horse in the center, with a child on the back. I say this because we had a discussion about the second wife of Eagle Horse a while back. Her son (not in the picture) was Seven-Up, who can be seen in one of the famous 1894 dance videos by Edison Studios. ![https://i.ibb.co/Zg8HGjs/Oglala-WW-Show-performers-2-1909-Chicago.jpg](https://i.ibb.co/Zg8HGjs/Oglala-WW-Show-performers-2-1909-Chicago.jpg)
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Post by nukemm33 on Jun 17, 2024 9:18:35 GMT -5
I know, this picture has always been identified as Little Bull and Red Shirt, but in my opinion the man on left is rather Yellow Boy: ![https://i.postimg.cc/0jzp1prP/f1e896e41b160722f3d0885932e03f4b.jpg](https://i.postimg.cc/0jzp1prP/f1e896e41b160722f3d0885932e03f4b.jpg) The reference to Yellow Boy is interesting. I don't think I've seen any pictures of Yellow Boy, however, one of my great aunts Rattling Woman (Rattler) has a daughter named Mable Skunks Mother that married a Robert Yellow Boy and this is how I am connected to the Yellow Boy and Sierra family at Pine Ridge.
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Post by grahamew on Jun 17, 2024 11:45:49 GMT -5
I have my doubts it's Little Bull - something about the jawline
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Post by Dietmar on Jun 17, 2024 17:10:25 GMT -5
Theses are portraits of Yellow Boy taken in different years. On November 27. 1890 he joined as a Private Lt. Charles Taylor´s Indian scouts. Later he went on tour with Buffalo Bill Cody and other shows like W. F. Carver. ![http://www.american-tribes.com/messageboards/dietmar/yellowboycomparison.jpg](http://www.american-tribes.com/messageboards/dietmar/yellowboycomparison.jpg)
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Post by rudolf on Jun 18, 2024 9:31:25 GMT -5
I´ve gone through all my stuff over the last days and came to believe that Sam Little Bull also went under the name Sam or Samuel Bird. This is only based on photographic evidence, and I know this probably has to be checked by additional sources (if possible). However, if you look at the portraits in my comparison, I hope you agree that there is a compelling resemblance. ![http://www.american-tribes.com/messageboards/dietmar/SamBirdLittleBullcomparison.jpg](http://www.american-tribes.com/messageboards/dietmar/SamBirdLittleBullcomparison.jpg) - far left, photo 1: Samuel Bird in 1894 as a soldier at Fort Omaha - photos 2 and 3: on tour with 'Omaha Charlie' Bristol (identification by myself) - photo 4: Sam Bird on tour with a Wild West show - photos 5, 6 and 7: Sam Little Bull on tour in Europe (1920s) Lining up excerpts from photos to prove that it is one person, even though different names have been mentioned, is not definitive proof. Yes, there are various photographs with a fairly close resemblance, so you could see that as one clue in a chain of evidence. But I don't see it as real proof yet. For that, other sources of evidence need to be added. Similarities between individuals in a relatively small population such as the Pine Ridge Reservation, in which intensive family relationships existed, are nothing unusual. In addition, many Lakota participants in Wild West and Folk Shows were friends and often related to each other. So I think very similar looks of people in photos can indicate that they are different photos of one person. But it doesn't have to be that way, especially when different names are involved. People can look very similar and still be two different people, especially if there are close family ties. So in my opinion, similarity is an indication, but not definitive proof, which has not been provided here. There is also the possibility that Samuel Bird and Samuel Little Bull are different people and that the postcard from 1914 in London shows Samuel Little Bull and not Yellow Boy. Further evidence would have to be found.
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Post by nukemm33 on Jun 18, 2024 17:22:48 GMT -5
Theses are portraits of Yellow Boy taken in different years. On November 27. 1890 he joined as a Private Lt. Charles Taylor´s Indian scouts. Later he went on tour with Buffalo Bill Cody and other shows like W. F. Carver. ![http://www.american-tribes.com/messageboards/dietmar/yellowboycomparison.jpg](http://www.american-tribes.com/messageboards/dietmar/yellowboycomparison.jpg) Do we know if this is Robert Yellow Boy (born ~1860)?
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