I was very interested to run onto your thread on Martin Charger. His older half-sister, Mary Sarpy, was my greatgrandmother and his brother-in-law, Bazile Clement (Claymore) was my greatgrandfather. Much is know about Mary because of her connection to the Chouteau family of St. Louis through her father, Thomas Lestang Sarpy. I did note some comments on Bazile's antecedents that I would like to further comment on.
He was born in 1824 at Rocky Mountain House in what is now Alberta, Canada. His father was Antoine Clement, who worked with the Northwest Fur Co. and was also a free trader. His mother was Marie Louise (Lizette) Dumont. Lizette was not a Cree, as I thought and as the commentator noted, but a Sarcee, which is an Athabascan tribe. Her father was Jean Baptiste Dumont and Josephte or Josette, Sarcee. They were members of Louis Pichet or Peechee's band of Metis Cree.
Post by swiftbird659 on Nov 19, 2010 10:34:35 GMT -5
Dietmar thank you again for the Crazy band story, I have some old familyy records related to Martin Charger the leader of the Crazy Band. It`s about John Split or Ka Sle, CR-484, (1845-1914). Has anyone ever heard of these people in Martin Charger`s family history? I show John Split`s first wife was Jennie Split, C. R.#2820, she died on Jan 26 1911. His second wife was Mary Fire Thunder aka Alice Around the Earth, Mrs. Samuel Spotted Hawk, Mrs. Don`t Eat Dog, Mrs. Pretty Sounding Flute, Mary Flute, Left Hand Woman and Turning Earth. L.B.#165. She was born in 1854 and she died on Dec. 14,1929. Mary was the first wife of Fire Thunder L.B.#166 before her marriage to John Split. Hurt Another, C.C.#16 was a uncle of John Split on his mother`s side. Martin Charger or Runs After, C. R.#? was a brother of John Split. Saliva/Spit (Imnistan) or Smoke Hide Moccasin, P. R.#3452 was a 1/2 brother of Split he died on Jan 08 1919. Iron Shell, P. R.#3728 was a 1/2 brotherof Split. John DeSmet, L. B.#399 was a 1/2 brotherof Split and Mary White Woman, C. R.#? was a 1/2 sister of Split. Do you or anyone else show this same info on Martin Charger and these family members?
Post by kingsleybray on Nov 19, 2010 17:21:36 GMT -5
Quick note: the Saliva/Spit (Imnistan), aka Smoke Hide Moccasin, from Pine Ridge, is the same man Foam mentioned as the father-in-law of Fire Thunder the Oglala (Oyuhpe band, born 1849). See the Fire Thunder thread under Oglala. Kingsley
Post by swiftbird659 on Nov 22, 2010 21:59:20 GMT -5
That is indeed a very old photo of Martin Charger and Bazile Claymore. They would be brother in-laws thru Mary White Woman. Here`s a statement by Bazile Clamore Sr. I am eighty six years of age; that i came to this tribe (CR) of Indians sixty six years ago; that i was married to a half breed Indian woman named Sarah Pierre known by her Indian name as White Woman that i married this woman about the 19th day of November,1845, according to Indian rites and customs of that time; and that she was a duly recognized member of the Sans Arc band of Sioux Indians; that on or about April 13th 1880 we were remarried according to the rites and ceromonies of the Protestant Episcopal Church and during the year 1885 was again remarried this time according to the rites and ceremonies of the Roman Catholic Church.and lived with her for about sixty years or until the time of her death, that i have always considered myself a member of the Sioux tribe and have been looked upon by the Indians as a member, that i was sent by the Indians as one of their delegates to make the Treaty of 1868, and that I signed the Crook Treaty, in 1889, that when the Government began to issue rations after 1868 I received my share of rations for myself and my wife and children, and always received rations until Agent Beemer took charge of the Agency at Fort Bennett, and that I have never left the reservation since first comming to same. Bazile Clamore Sr. 11th day of Aug. 1908.
Post by swiftbird659 on Mar 23, 2011 15:48:38 GMT -5
Both Martin Charger and Mary White Woman are mentioned in the heirship case of John Split aka Ka Sle C.R. # 484. The following half blood kindred on his (John Split) mother`s side of the family being: John De Smet, L.B. #399, half brother, the following children of his predeceased half sister, Mary Claymore or White Woman (Wasicunwin or Wasioawin) : Joe or Joseph Claymore, S.R. #19 Antione Claymore, S.R. #426; Peter Claymore C.R. #620, Bazile Claymore, jr., C.R. #906, Charles Claymore, C.R. #624, John Claymore C.R. # 621, all nephews; and Julia Claymore Pearman, C.R. #715, Margurite Claymore Arpan, C.R. #1965, and Louse Claymore Hiat, C.R. #1363, nieces. He (John Split) was also survived by the following children and grand children of his predeceased brother, Charger (Martin Charger) or Runs After, who taken by representation as follows: Samuel Charger, C.R. #327, nephew, Chunky Girl or Mrs. Sophia Left Handed (Hand) Bear, C.R.#2712, niece. William (Zomi) Promise or Once Called, C.R. #2226, and Joshua Promise or Once Called, C.R. #2227, grandnephews (sons of Mary Promise or Once Called or Ounglakewastewin, who died on March 3, 1907 and who was a daughter of decedent`s predeceased brother, Charger or Runs After). Adelia Charger (now Mrs. Laurence Meeter), C.R. #2658, grandniece, and Rufus (Allotted as Martin) Charger, C.R. #2659, grand nephew (children of White Bird or Harry Charger C.R. # 325 who died on January 1, 1907 and who was the son of decedent`s predeceaced half brother, Charger or Runs After), and Louise Gray Bear (now Mrs. Paul High Bear), C.R. #301, grandniece (daughter of Jane Gray Bear who died in April, 1901 and who was the daughter of decedent`s predeceaced half brother, Charger or Runs After).
Post by swiftbird659 on May 7, 2011 12:41:03 GMT -5
On Mar. 24, 1904, the following proceedings occurred in the Senate in connection with this amendment, then proposed, and there was printed as part of the record on that day an article which had been prepared by Mr. Doane Robinson, secretary of the State Historical Society of South Dakota, and published in The Dakotan Aug., 1902, and which is the result of a careful investigation of the events referred to in the present amendment: " That the Secretary of the Treasury be, and he is hereby authorized to include the payment sum of $200 each to Pretty Bear, Rattling, Swift Bird, Strike the Fire, Come Home and Kill the Enemy, Four Bear, of the Cheyenne River Reservation, in South Dakota, and Fast Walker, Mdoka, Red Dog, Black Eagle, Don`t Know How, Black Cloud, Fool Dog, and Walking Crane of Crow Creek Reservation in South Dakota and Mad Bear of Standing Rock Reservation in South Dakota and North Dakota all Sioux Indians, or there heirs, to reward them for services and sacrifice of ponies in accomplishing the rescue of Mrs. Julia Wright, Mrs. Emma Duly and six children all white persons, captives in the custody of the White Lodge bands of Sioux Indians in Nov. 1862 near the mouth of the Grand River, Dakota Territory". Of these members of the Crazy Band Martin Charger, Swift Bird, Strikes Fire, Four Bear, Pretty Bear, Mad Bear and Sitting Bear are still alive. They reside upon the Cheyenne River Reservation and are men of distinction among their people. The live in substantial houses, own excellent herds of cattle, and they are consistent members of the Protestant Episcopal Church. On more than one occasion since, as young savages they sacrificed everything they possessed and at great personal hazard rescued the white captives. As above related, they have rendered invaluable services to the whites. During the Custer war of 1875-76 they stood as a wall of rock between the hostiles and settlements, and again when the Massiah craze swept over the Sioux Nation in 1890. These men serene and unmoved by the popular clamor, counseled calmness among their people. They organized their young men together for active resistance to the hostiles if thier services should be required. They number more than the United Sates Army and the State militia combined. They rendered the white settlements east of the Missouri safe from the attacks of predatory bands of dancers. When the circumstances surrounding this case are considered; when Dakota country as it was in 1862 is taken into account; when the condition and environment of these young Tetons, unschooled beyond the influence of the missionaries, unpromted to the heroic action which they performed, except by the instincts of humanity, unrewarded and without the hope of reward, are reckoned with, I submit the record of the world`s history will be searched in vain for a parallel. Doane Robinson.
Matotanka: Re your recent post on Bazile Claymore. He was my g'grandfather on my mother's side. I have done considerable genealogical research on him and, up until a couple of years ago, also thought that he was of Cree descent. In his later years, he tried to hide his Indianness. He told some historian he was of French-Spanish blood & his father was Charles Clement of St. Louis. In fact, Charles Lake was his brother-in-law, having married his older sister. Bazile was the son of Antoine Clement and Marie Louise (Lizette) Dumont. He was born January 1824 at Rocky Mountain House in what is now Alberta. Clement was a French-Canadian, employed by the Northwest Fur Company. Lizette was, ostensibly, the daughter of Jean-Baptiste Dumont and Josepte (Josette) Sarcee, who I though was a full-blood Cree. I though Sarcee was another name for Cree. I found out later that the Sarcee are an athabascan people, who often allied with the Blackfeet against the Cree. A couple of years ago, I ran onto a web site, Dictionary of Canadian Biography Online (www.biographi.ca). This story emerged. J-B Bruneau took as an Indian wife, Josette Sarcee, in the late 1780's. They had one child. In 1794, he went back to Canada & turned her over to Dumont. This was done in those days. The first child of Dumont & Josette was Gabriel, born 1795. They had several other children, including Isadore, who was the father of Gabriel Dumont, Riel's general. I'm runnin out of space, so I'll do another post to finish this. Frank Ducheneaux
Matotanka: Further on my reply to your Clement-Claymore post. In going thru my material for this reply, I found something interesting. My info indicates that Lizette was born ca. 1790. Women married as early as 16. If Lizette married Antoine at that age, it would have been ca. 1806. This would be consistent with the probable birth date of her oldest child, Antoine Michel. There were at least 3 other children between Antoine Michel and Bazile; Katherine, Pierre and Joseph. If the birthdate of Lizette is ca. 1790, she would not have been the daughter of Dumont, but of J-B Bruneau. When Bruneau turned Josette over to Dumont, Lizette would have been a very young girl and simply adopted by Dumont. When Bruneau came back, he wanted Josette back, but Dumont would not return. Maybe Bruneau wanted his daugther back. Dumont went to Canada for 2 years sometime in the late 1790;s or early 1800's & turned Josetee (and family) over to a man name Durant or Durand. When he came back, he wanted her back, but Durant refused. Dumont took her forcibly.
If all of this is true, Bazile was 1/4th Sarcee and I am 1/32 Sarcee.
Post by swiftbird659 on May 2, 2012 20:37:39 GMT -5
Cheyenne River Agency, Dakota Territory, Aug. 25, 1883, STATEMENT OF CHARGER: "I and the other chiefs who are here today were present last winter when that agreement was made and all of us know what those men meant. White Swan is our principal chief and he along with Swift Bird was among the speakers. All three of us will tell you what we know about it. We never saw such men as you in our country before. You comi ng here will be of great hope to us. The Indians made an agreement last winter, but they are confused and do not know how to think of it clearly now. They told us that more than half the Indians had already signed it and if we did not sign it they would destroy this agency. Our people told us not to sell our country! We told the commissioners that when we held the council with them. Then the commissioners told us if we did not sign the agreement we would have no land at all to live on. They said that half the Indians here did not even belong here but belonged up the river and they would get the soldiers to drive them back up the river and the rest of the Indians here would be sent to the Red Cloud and Spotted Tail agencies. They told us they were sent by the Great Father and therefore had the power to do anything with us they pleased and that scared us. So we signed the agreement. Only a little over twenty of us signed it. I am ashamed when anyone asks me questions about what we have done, because i know it was not all done fairly. I do not want to see or hear of those fellows again! I was born right here fortynine years ago and i know a good many of our Great Fathers ways. The Great father has already taken the best part of our country and i do not see why he wants more of it. On the east side of the Missourri River is the best land. When the Great Father asked us for it we gave it to him. He promised to give us something for it so that we might be able to live. The Great Father has thrown that country open to the whites and it is full of them now. He bought that strip of country but has not paid us one half of what was promised. He asked us for the Black Hills country which is good farming land and we had to give that up also. The Great Father owes right now for promises made in the past and we want you to get that for us. If these promises had been fulfilled we would feel differently from what we do. When we made the treaty for the country east of the Missourri River the Great Father promised to give us cattle every year and tools to work our land with but we have never received them. He promised the same thing in the Black Hills treaty and the promise has never been fulfilled yet and we are asked to give up more of our country? We have made treaties twice for these same cattle and have still not received them. We do not want to sign any more papers. My friends we are poor and ignorant and we want you to take pity upon us. We have waited and waited in vain for the fulfillment of these promises. Do you take us for men or beasts? I think we are treated like dogs! I am trying to be like the white man. I work so much it makes me poor. We have very little of our country left now. We have sold most of it and received nothing for it. God has made us all alike both whites and Indians and he might be angry at the way we have been treated." Chief Martin Charger
Post by akhummingbird on Oct 27, 2012 1:02:54 GMT -5
What a great video/interview. I am horrified to hear that some of the Fool Soldiers where imprisoned! These were true heroes who deserved the highest recognition as people of peace. This is such a powerful story.
Post by swiftbird659 on Oct 27, 2012 14:52:46 GMT -5
Thats a great picture i have a copy! It was given to me by Jr. Rousseau. But, the man in the middle of this photo is not Walter Swift Bird. Unfortunetly it was labled wrong. I Know this because it is my grt., grt., grt. grandfather Alexander "Swift Bird" La Chapelle and i am a direct descendant. He is the father of Walter Swift Bird aka Zitkala Aki. Walter was born in late 1870 and it would make him around 17 in this photo! And this man is not 17. But Walter is family, he is my grt., grt, grandmother`s brother! I put together a research article on the entire family history of Chief Swift Bird. It is currently availible only for reading at the Tribal Archives, Cheyenne River Sioux Tribal Presevation Office located in Eagle Butte South Dakota. It`s a must read for anyone researching the history of this agency all the old chiefs, leading families and relatives from the Cheyenne River Agency I, II, and III.
One of my relative's named Theodore Junior Rousseau, who is now deceased, did many years of research on our family lineage. I dedicate this post here in memory of him and his work.
FROM THE SARPY (aka), SARPE FAMILY INFO:
This is a quote by; SARPE, Pelagie Narcelle [NOTE by kakarns]: Pelagie was named after Thomas L'Estang Sarpe's mother. I have inserted some names in the quote below to help determine who Pelagie was referring to.
"Mrs. Claymore's mother ("Tamakoce Waste Win" (aka), Her-Good-Ground-Woman by;kakarns) was living with Halsey, and my father took the old woman away from Halsey, and there Mrs. Claymore (Mary White Woman Sarpe by; kakarns) was born. She was living with old man Sarpe (Thomas L'Estang Sarpe by; kakarns) at the mouth of Rapid Creek, and he blew up."
[Additional Notes on Her-Good-Ground Woman]:
After Sarpe's death, the Sioux wife moved back to Montana where she remarried. She had been born at Fort Union, Montana.
[Additional Notes on Halsey]:
On January 31, 1832 - Halsey wrote a letter to Pierre Chouteau at American Fur Trade Company in St. Lous and informed him of Sarpe's death.
[Additional notes on Mary White Woman Sarpe]: Mary White Woman Sarpe married Basil/Bazile 'Jacque Marie Clement, Claymore.