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Post by gregor on Sept 2, 2023 16:37:39 GMT -5
Aah, Rawhide, I see. Did you have this picture in mind?
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Post by rawhide on Sept 3, 2023 1:53:14 GMT -5
Yes, that one.
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Post by Dietmar on Sept 4, 2023 6:08:28 GMT -5
So, the horned bonnet was a present to Cook by Red Hawk. I assume he gave it to Woman's Dress for the photo session (?). Or is it a different one?
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Post by grahamew on Feb 23, 2024 10:41:15 GMT -5
Although the written annotation says this was taken at Fort Sully, I've also seen it suggested that it's Standing Rock and the woman seated at the right is the missionary, Mary C. Collins. If it's Standing Rock, then it was taken after 1885. However, prior to her time at Standing Rock, she spent ten years at the Oahe Mission in Peoria Bottom, which was near Fort Sully and in the other (partial) image, the Lakota woman behind her is identified as Ellen Spotted Bear and Spotted Bear was one of the headmen near Fort Sully, as we can see from this 1879 map. Perhaps that's him in the hat in the middle of the group... The 'other' version This is Collins, so I do think she is the woman sitting at the right. Edit... I've just found this: it clearly was taken at Oahe, because here's the preserved mission today: From the way the two Lakota men are dressed, I would have put this mid-late 1880s, but unless Collins was paying Oahe a visit from her home st Standing Rock, I guess not... A couple more: This is Hawk Man, the Lakota policeman - probably the one who was killed during the arrest of Sitting Bull. I think it was originally a Scott photo, if for no other reason that I suspect I grabbed it from the same source as this image of One Bull, who is dressed the same in another image taken by Scott: Has anyone another copy of the Hawk Man image or do you have any idea where I got it from...? Best I can work out, Scott was still at Fort Yates in 1891 before moving later that year to take charge of the weather bureau at Yankton. So, I wonder if this image was taken after Sitting Bull's death, which would make the man above the OTHER Hawk Man, also a policeman and also present at Grand River that day - though I admit, he doesn't look a lot like the image I've seen of him (from 1884) but, then again - though it's not easy to tell - I'm not sure he looks like the man in the Edwin Deming painting, made, I think, on a visit to Standing Rock with DeCost Smith in 1890: Finally, this image: The name attached to it was Looking Glass. Now, it's clearly not the Nez Perce Looking Glass, but who is he? Cheyenne? Who does the backdrop belong to?
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Post by grahamew on Feb 28, 2024 15:40:25 GMT -5
Handsome Elk, Lower Bruléthis string of messages is as good as any to post this ... currently for sale on eBay (July 3rd, 2023) - from the "feel" of it, I would date this to about 1880, but really would not know anything about Handsome Elk click onto images to enlarge View AttachmentView Attachment Grahame, great pictures, I missed them somehow. I´m pretty sure the man with the goggles is Chief Iron Nation, Lower Brule. That would match perfectly Handsome Elk´s picture, which is also of a Lower Brule leader. I´m pretty sure I´ve seen the man with the crutch before, but I´ll have to think about it... Thanks Dietmar I think we had this before we lost the TinyPic images: Taken sometime between the 1880 image posted by Californian and 1888, when photographer Hyde left for Manchester, Iowa
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Post by grahamew on Mar 21, 2024 16:11:07 GMT -5
No idea who or what, but the same backdrop and same photographer - and the same bonnet. I think the photographer is Smith of Blairstown, New Jersey. Skunk, a Lakota. Same backdrop?
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Post by wolfgang on Mar 22, 2024 3:35:59 GMT -5
Hey grahamew, the second Photo is Grant High White Man aka Kills Twice.
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Post by grahamew on Mar 22, 2024 6:24:35 GMT -5
Thanks, Wolfgang. I'm beginning to wonder if this isn't Blairstown, Iowa... Also wonder if Smith wasn't selling someone else's work. There is another image of Skunk, taken outdoors and wearing pretty much the same clothing, plus a fur cap, which he may be holding in the studio photo. Note the punched holes in all these images, as if the owner had kept them in the same album. If the man with shorter hair is Grant White Man, then this would date the image to around 1900, whereas, had I not been told that, I'd have said earlier, maybe late 1880s. Note that Skunk and the man in the wearing the horned bonnet both appear to be wearing badges. Wild West Show/Exposition ephemera? Police badges? As for the photographer... I have no idea. There was a DC Smith operating in Dakota in the 1870s, but I can find no connection to Blairstown, either in Iowa or New Jersey
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Post by grahamew on Apr 2, 2024 12:21:53 GMT -5
Okay, some of these images don't just show individuals, but... Perry and GJ Petrik at Rosebud, 1907 I believe this shows Yellow Horse, Rain Waiter and The Butcher/Cheyenne Butcher because we've already had this one: Same photographer too. Supposed to be Shoshone dancers at Rock Springs, Wyoming, 1886 The suggestion on the auction site is that this may show a Sicangu Lakota, circa 1858-9 Without the frame Cree dancers at a Treaty Payment, circa 1900 Not sure the when and where, but sonewhere on the plains of Canada, and I assume they're Cree Neither is Plenty Horses... Supposed to show a Wild West Show Lakota in 1887 As above As above... I wonder if these aren't from a later visit to London, however. Another Wild West Show image? Wild West Show Lakota This one was labelled as Luther Standing Bear...
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Post by Dietmar on Apr 5, 2024 5:34:33 GMT -5
These two were on tour with 'Omaha Charlie' Bristol probably in or around the year 1894. The photo was taken by Macy and Doughty: No names I`m afraid.
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Post by Dietmar on Apr 5, 2024 5:37:31 GMT -5
I believe him to be James Bissonette, who was on tour with 'Buffalo Bill' Cody in 1887 and 1889/90:
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Post by Dietmar on Apr 5, 2024 5:44:43 GMT -5
This man was with 'Buffalo Bill' on many tours. Here he is in 1887, but he also can be found in many Wild West show photos when he was getting older. I´ve seen him identified as "Hairy", but I´ve been wondering for some time if he could be Hairy Bird, who´s name turns up in Wild West Show cast lists. Any help is appreciated.
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Post by grahamew on Apr 23, 2024 14:16:59 GMT -5
Wild West Show Lakota Unidentified, but taken at Fort Benton, 1901 Unidentified Navajo Navajo, circa 1865. Barboncito at centre; Cayetano (Manuelito's brother at right); Manuelito (minus the usual moustache) at right??? Crow (but possibly Cree) by Goff Unidentified Unidentified. Winnebago? Potawatomi? Spotted Crow Shoshone and Bannock Red Wolf and family - though he doesn't look like the images of the Southern Cheyenne Red Wolf I've seen
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