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Post by kingsleybray on Nov 30, 2014 8:07:49 GMT -5
that is tremendously useful - thanks Karla and Dietmar. Can we ask whereabouts is Iron Shell's grave?
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Post by kakarns on Jan 24, 2015 14:58:00 GMT -5
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Post by djhdjr92 on Jun 18, 2021 17:38:22 GMT -5
Who is Brave Bird's mother?
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Post by djhdjr92 on Jun 18, 2021 17:41:17 GMT -5
I don't know for sure when Iron Shell died, it would be a good thing if someone could establish the right date. He certainly lived for at least a decade after his 1872 trip to Washington. In the Ralph Case testimony about the Black Hills case, collected in 1923, there are statements by one or two of his sons which establish that Iron Shell was present during the 1875 Black Hills council. He also went as one of the wakichunze with Spotted Tail, Two Strike, and Swift Bear to negotiate the surrender of the Non-treaty Lakotas in 1877. He is listed in the Spotted Tail Agency census conducted in 1877. So he accompanied the Sichangu on their final move, to Rosebud in 1878. He was now about 63 years old, and he seems to have retired from active chieftainship, though he would have remained a respected elder in the band and tribal council. The last entry in the winter count he kept is for 1883, "Red Top Tipi Band Made a Dance Hall", a log dance and council house of the sort built by the Omaha society. Possibly this was the year he died. I don't see him in documents or censuses after that date - though my census knowledge is not encyclopaedic like Ephriam's. There are a couple of references out there to him dying in the 1890s, but I would like to see something more definitive. I believe his death year is 1896 |
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Post by djhdjr92 on Jun 18, 2021 17:44:11 GMT -5
I don't know for sure when Iron Shell died, it would be a good thing if someone could establish the right date. He certainly lived for at least a decade after his 1872 trip to Washington. In the Ralph Case testimony about the Black Hills case, collected in 1923, there are statements by one or two of his sons which establish that Iron Shell was present during the 1875 Black Hills council. He also went as one of the wakichunze with Spotted Tail, Two Strike, and Swift Bear to negotiate the surrender of the Non-treaty Lakotas in 1877. He is listed in the Spotted Tail Agency census conducted in 1877. So he accompanied the Sichangu on their final move, to Rosebud in 1878. He was now about 63 years old, and he seems to have retired from active chieftainship, though he would have remained a respected elder in the band and tribal council. The last entry in the winter count he kept is for 1883, "Red Top Tipi Band Made a Dance Hall", a log dance and council house of the sort built by the Omaha society. Possibly this was the year he died. I don't see him in documents or censuses after that date - though my census knowledge is not encyclopaedic like Ephriam's. There are a couple of references out there to him dying in the 1890s, but I would like to see something more definitive. He is buried in St Francis, SD, on the Rosebud Reservation |
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Post by Karla on Aug 23, 2021 19:32:16 GMT -5
According to his headstone he died in 1885. See photo of headstone posted on this thread Nov. 30, 2014.
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Post by kingsleybray on Jul 3, 2024 7:34:17 GMT -5
I have some new information from Lakota friends on Iron Shell's marriages. The father of some of his wives, including Center Woman, "Old Burnt" and possibly Roan Horse Woman, was a Brule man named Burnt Man. Burnt Man was probably born about 1800. He belonged to Little Thunder's band, the Cokatowela. He was a prominent member of the Tokala warrior society and by the 1840s a society pipe-keeper. In 1843 he was Little Thunder s head soldier or akicita Itancan. Iron Shell married several of Burnt Man's daughters through the 1840s and 50s. By 1853 Burnt Man had joined Iron Shells tiyospaye, the Orphans (Wablenica). He was by then a naca or headman/elder in the band and the Brule tribal Council.
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