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Post by gregor on Dec 8, 2019 8:35:54 GMT -5
And here some Pix of the Rosebud series Spotted Tail Agency catalogue No. 2 Swift Bears Family No 11 School at new Spotted Tail Agency No 14 Drying Meat No. 16 Spotted Tail No. 17 Spotted Tail's Family No. 18 Spotted Tail's Girls - Chimp & Sky No 23 White Thunder No 24 Fast Bear (aka Quick Bear) No 26 Standing Bear No 37 Hollow Horn Bear No 39 Black Teeth's Papoose
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Post by Dietmar on Nov 23, 2020 12:04:15 GMT -5
Always great to find a new W.R. Cross photo... this is taken from an Ebay auction: The name Standing Bear is written in pencil on the back of the carte-de-visite. He was the father of Luther Standing Bear and got the Christian name George.
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Post by Californian on Jan 8, 2021 18:43:20 GMT -5
Rain-in-the-Face by W.R. Cross (less known) click onto the images to enlarge
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Post by grahamew on Nov 27, 2022 5:47:37 GMT -5
Can't read the text, though the first word seems to say,'Spotted.' It's clearly from the 1877-78 series and I wonder if it is No. 20 on the lst over the page (page5 of the thread) Okay... 'Mandan Sioux Chief at Yankton Agency, Dakota Territory.' Make of that what you will...
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Post by Dietmar on Nov 27, 2022 6:57:36 GMT -5
Grahame, the first Cross photo shows daughters of Spotted Tail. The 'Mandan' is rather Yankton chief Feather in the Ear (aka Feather in the Head or Feather Necklace).
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Post by grahamew on Nov 27, 2022 8:29:26 GMT -5
Thanks, I'd never seen that one before, nor that photo of Spotted Tail's daughters.
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Post by grahamew on Dec 4, 2022 11:52:24 GMT -5
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Post by Californian on Dec 4, 2022 13:42:30 GMT -5
hi Grahame, thanks for this great spread, many of which were unknown to me. Particularly of value to me personally are the accoutrements that some of the subjects are holding or wearing. One thing I wonder, though, is if all of these images are really by W.R. Cross. It seems that plagiarizing other photographer's work was very common and perhaps even tolerated. D F Barry certainly sold work by others, yet still using his own cardstock and a "serial" plagiarizer was Lucien W. Stilwell of Deadwood SD.
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Post by grahamew on Dec 5, 2022 15:59:13 GMT -5
Yep. Part of the poroblem with Cross is that he worked over such a long period of time and was making Native American images from the late 1870s through to the 90s and it's not always easy to group the images together for each particular time period. On top of that, attribution isn't always easy because there are instances where he is clearly selling images he didn't take (Mitchell's Red Shirt in that sampler above, for example, and you can find one of Notman's images of Cody and Sitting Bull in the Digital Library of South Dakota); equally, of course, others sold images he did take. Moreover, he continued to sell the earlier images he took alomgside later images - and sometimes both appeared on samplers. The most obvious example of the latter would appear to be Bailey, Dix and Mead's photographs of Sitting Bull's people at Fort Randall after he surrendered. When he and his family spent several months at Spotted Tail from 14 February 1878, he took numerous images of the the Sicangu and - as Dietmar and/or Ephriam have pointed out - they tend have bare branches in the background against a blanket backdrop or the show people wrapped up in blankets or coats for winter. In July 1878, he was off th photograph at the Santee Agency - though I haven't seen any images from this trip. But he was also photographing Yankton people - during the same period? Later, from July 1883 we find him working with his apprentice, John Anderson, first at Fort Niobrara in 1886 and then at Fort Meade in 1888 and then on his own, around the Hot Springs area and in January 1891, he travelled to Pine Ridge to take photographs in thre aftermath of Wounded Knee, but how many of these have been mistaken for the works of the likes of Trager and Kuhn, who knows? Did he still photograph Native American subjects after this or was it just that he continued to sell images - including the older ones - marked with his Hot Springs logo? www.sdhspress.com/journal/south-dakota-history-20-2/william-richard-cross-photographer-on-the-nebraska-south-dakota-frontier/vol-20-no-2-william-richard-cross-photographer-on-the-nebraska-south-dakota-frontier.pdfI'm not sure at what point he would have been in a position to photograph Kill Eagle, which is why I'm uncertain about the attribution, but maybe he took it during the period he was photographing Sitting Bull's band at Fort Randall. As for Stillwell, was he even a photographer or just someone who sold images made by others. You can find George Spencer photographs with his stamp on too. Most of the Cross images I've posted here have disappeared courtesy of Tinypic, so I intend to repost them - but bear with me if I post duplicates, please! Here are a few more studio photos from the 1878 set: Yellow Hair Sadly, these are the best versions I've seen of this one: Red Nose and boy Lakota woman The same Cheyenne man (Black Prairie Chicken? I've also seen him identified as Miniconjou) from my post above - I wonder if he took more alternate views... Spotted Tail's wife Unidentified Flat Nose John Horned Antelope Lakota woman Spotted Tail's son and family
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Post by Californian on Dec 5, 2022 16:44:57 GMT -5
hi Grahame, thank you very much. As for Stilwell, I think you are right that he was not a photographer, but rather a "curio" dealer in Indian artifacts and rocks Stilwell ephemera at Yale (PDF) Stilwell ephemera at Yale Unversity.pdf (3.52 MB)
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Post by grahamew on Dec 7, 2022 13:26:25 GMT -5
I assume he took this image of White Thunder and his family during this period early in 1878 Notice he's wearimg the same earrings and star neckerchief holder as in Cross' studio portrait: ... and this unidentified young man outside his tipi? This could be later (note the Hot Springs mount) but the clothing and the dentalium necklace as opposed to a bandana could imply earlier John Sans Arc. Not at all sure about this one, though he was feasibly with Red Skirt Another Cross image of Red Skirt. I think the backdrop, while different from the Cross photos taken at Spotted Tail, is the same as in the other Red Skirt photo. And again, at the agency Swift Bear and family. I assume 'Squaw Chief' is the man in the hat to Swift Bear's left, rather than the man in the breastplate. Spotted Tail's tipis Spotted Tail's family Again, I'm assuming this Dance Tipi image is from the Sotted Tail Agency series Winter camp Drying meat at Spotted Tail Agency This could be from Cross' earlier photos at Spotted Tail, but he photographed the dance later too Cheyenne woman. I'm not sure where the Cheyenne images come into this, but they seem to be related to those taken at Spotted Tail I saw these men, labelled Arikara on an auction site - possibly because the word 'Padani' would be Dakota for Arikara. I've also seen them labelled as Yankton. Some of Cross' Yankton image have been posted. I'm not sure of the timescale for these. Waquin, Yankton Brave Dog Yankton woman Yankton Indian Homes - again, I would suspect this is a later image Despite the caption, I seem to recall seeing this is a Cross photo of a Yankton camp - but I suspect it's later than the studio images Yankton twins. Despite the dress, this can be found in Cross samplers that contains many of the 1878 photos. I'm assuming their sons of someone significant at the agency, perhaps even a trader
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Post by Californian on Dec 7, 2022 14:16:12 GMT -5
great collection Grahame, thanks for sharing. The very last one I have seen not too long ago offered on eBay, or perhaps another, similar version of it - particularly noticed the obviously wrong caption
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Post by Dietmar on Dec 8, 2022 5:32:45 GMT -5
Thanks for uploading all pictures, Grahame! Here´s the same picture as above ("Omaha Dance"), but with additional inscription and a different mount. The latter speaks for a picture, that had been taken in a later period of Cross`work, but it also can be that he reproduced the photo: However, interesting to see a rare example of Sicangus wearing fur turbans.
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Post by Dietmar on Dec 8, 2022 5:38:51 GMT -5
I can´t find it, but I know we discussed the name before. The man is Tocaicu or Takes Enemy.
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Post by Dietmar on Dec 8, 2022 6:43:27 GMT -5
W. R. Cross (and others) photographed several of Spotted Tail`s daughters, but only one (as far as i know) can clearly be identified: Cross named her "Sky", but she was called Canku or Red Road in 1877, when according to newspaper articles she was married to Lone Elk. She went to Carlisle Indian School in 1879, as the wife of Charles Tackett. Hence, she then also was called Sarah Tackett. I´ve never seen a full genealogy tree of Spotted Tail`s family, although there is so much written about him.
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