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Post by grahamew on Dec 4, 2020 17:19:44 GMT -5
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Post by carlo on Dec 5, 2020 5:01:08 GMT -5
Terrific find! Too bad the name of the artist hasn’t been recorded, but indeed great to see so much interesting details in the drawings. The enemies are almost certainly Crows based on their facial paint, hairstyle, and accoutrements. There is one more drawing on the website.
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Post by carlo on Dec 5, 2020 5:28:11 GMT -5
The drawings were likely collected from a Lakota exiled in Canada, so after 1876. Unfortunately a quick online search on the name Mint Hypson didn’t yield any usable results.
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Post by grahamew on Dec 5, 2020 6:09:34 GMT -5
I wonder if they were collected directly from a Lakota. The documentation on the site isn't great, but then it's probably not their area of expertise. I sent the link to Ross Frank and he hadn't seen it either, so let's hope he can get permission to digitise it on the PILA site and discover more about its origins. The detail is incredibly good and it's one of the best (and I know I'm being ethnocentric here, unfortunately) sets of Lakota drawings I've seen.
I've added the missing image.
The guy with the blue horse and bow lance is interesting. This is idle speculation, but several of the Jumping Bull drawings depict him with a bow lance and on a blue house with a similar crescent face paint.
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Post by shan on Dec 6, 2020 10:22:42 GMT -5
Grahamew.
very interesting collection, and I have to say, after having looked at hundreds of ledger drawings, I've never seen the work of this particular artist before. The nearest stylistically ~~ especially the horses heads which look a little like that of a duck ~~ are a few of the the drawings by a man named His Fight, but then I don't think it is him.
As you say the level of detail is impressive, even down to the dogs barking in one of the drawings, and in yet another, we see two dogs pulling what I take to be a travois.
In the case of the enemies, it certainly looks as if they are Crows, but I wonder if they could be Nez Perce in some cases. One of the drawings in which we see the enemy are firing at two men wearing winter clothing is particularly interesting, especially given the way he's depicted one of them seemingly pulling his companion ~~ who may or may not have been hit ~~ along by the elbow.
Shan
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Post by allenc on Dec 6, 2020 11:19:11 GMT -5
these drawings are very similar to those attributed to Two Bears, Yanktonai. Some of his are in the Fenimore Museum although I have been unable to locate them on line.
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Post by Californian on Dec 7, 2020 1:03:41 GMT -5
Shan, are you referring to His Fight who is also known as Jaw ? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaw_(%C4%86ehu%E2%80%B2pa)Grahamew. very interesting collection, and I have to say, after having looked at hundreds of ledger drawings, I've never seen the work of this particular artist before. The nearest stylistically ~~ especially the horses heads which look a little like that of a duck ~~ are a few of the the drawings by a man named His Fight, but then I don't think it is him. As you say the level of detail is impressive, even down to the dogs barking in one of the drawings, and in yet another, we see two dogs pulling what I take to be a travois. In the case of the enemies, it certainly looks as if they are Crows, but I wonder if they could be Nez Perce in some cases. One of the drawings in which we see the enemy are firing at two men wearing winter clothing is particularly interesting, especially given the way he's depicted one of them seemingly pulling his companion ~~ who may or may not have been hit ~~ along by the elbow. Shan
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Post by Californian on Dec 7, 2020 1:10:09 GMT -5
thank you for sharing these Grahame. The one figure on the very last image has a hairdo resembling typical to the Piegans / Peigans - the hooded figures in apparent winter dress could possibly be Métis, though not sure about it.
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Post by shan on Dec 7, 2020 6:36:20 GMT -5
Hi Californian,
yes I am, from what I remember, his Fight or Jaws drew his horses heads in a rather similar way, but it was a long shot, and its not one that I'm particularly wedded to.
However, I'm inclined to agree with you about those two figures being Metis, their headgear in particular is rather unusual.
Shan
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Post by rodthomas on Dec 7, 2020 10:52:29 GMT -5
First glance and I thought looks like Jaw/His Fight. Then something was a bit different. So today, we'll see what we can come up with. Now that White Swan's biography is at the publishers (McFarland Books), I'm open to such wonderful research! Oh, I'd go with Apsaalooke/Crow. The breechcloth is a key "tell." Have a great day everyone!
Rod...
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Post by rodthomas on Dec 7, 2020 12:31:51 GMT -5
There is also a hint of Joseph No Two Horns especially in the horse depictions.
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Post by rodthomas on Dec 7, 2020 12:40:19 GMT -5
His Fight, a muslin at the Cranbrook Institute of Science, and was privileged to view and start researching. Compares favorably to the Simcoe drawings.
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Post by grahamew on Dec 7, 2020 14:03:37 GMT -5
Thanks, Rod. Always great to hear from you - and that looks like a terrific muslin!
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Post by grahamew on Dec 23, 2020 8:51:42 GMT -5
I emailed the Simcoe Museum and am pleased to say Darryl Wines responded very quickly indeed. "The ledger drawings in question are attributed to Iron Cloud (Mahpiyamaza), Oglala Lakota, c. 1851-?? We have a total of 14 drawings, many depicting fights with Crow warriors. It is believed they were completed prior to his temporary relocation to Canada in 1877." it-it.facebook.com/mcmastermuseum/videos/1977438725734589/I realise there are images where the iconography may not fit this attribution and it has been suggested to me that it is possible we may be looking at the work of an Arikara - which would raise questions about who the enemy figures are. Crow? Assiniboin? Or, are we just looking at evidence of the cultural borrowing that permeated Northern Plains life? I have asked for more information, so I'll let you know more when the museum gets back to me.
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Post by carlo on Dec 23, 2020 9:57:27 GMT -5
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