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Post by frenchman on Jun 3, 2020 11:23:38 GMT -5
Greetings from France , an Oyuhpe-Hca called Shell Boy ( Pankeska Hoksila- born around 1836 ) is sometimes given as a Shell Man's son (he was one of the four akicita of the Big Road's camp with Bear Looking Behind , Dog Eagle and Red Horn Bull ) then a brother of Two Face and Blckfoot ! Is it right ? Best regards
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Post by Dietmar on Jun 4, 2020 2:07:39 GMT -5
Maggie No Fat, said to had been Shell Man´s daughter:
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Post by gregor on Jun 4, 2020 11:41:40 GMT -5
The source for Maggie No Fat being Shell Man's daughter is „George Catlin: Painter of Indians of the West“ by John C. Ewers. In 1947, the ethnologist John C. Ewers visited Pine Ridge. To his surprise, Ewers found a copy of Catlin's Shell Man at his informant Maggie No Fat's house. Maggie claimed to be Shell Man's daughter. The photo was made by John C. Ewers in 1947 (Maggie with a photograph of Catlin's picture of her father).
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Post by hreinn on Jun 4, 2020 20:27:12 GMT -5
Very interesting to see family background of Two Face and Black Foot. Remarkable to see that Two Face and Black Foot belonged to Payabya. I had never noticed how relatively closely Payabya was associated with Fort Laramie. While Wagluhe (Loafer band) was at Fort Laramie, Payabya was around Fort Laramie. Payabya is like the next evolution/devolution step of Wagluhe, in respect to hanging around Fort Laramie. Like Bawling Bull said, he was never in the Powder River country.
The range of Payabya and their "attraction" to the whites, makes it understandable that Old Man Afraid went from Hunkpatila to Payabya. Weather Old Man Afraid was pushed aside in Hunkpatila or if he simply found himself not on the same wavelength as the majority among Hunkpatila. And therefore explain why later Young Man Afraid belonged to Payabya. It is actually surprising to see how long Man Afraid was associated with the relatively militant Hunkpatila.
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Post by tokalawamblihito on Nov 29, 2023 5:15:33 GMT -5
Thank you for this information. My dad told me a story on how we almost were hang in the past, but he didn't told me anything else. For awhile I thought it was the hanging Lincoln did, but I did some research and it wasn't. I looked into my Grandma Irene Young Dog history, my dad's mom on ancestry.com and found out it was about this hanging at Fort Laramie. My grandma Irene's grandma was Jennie Sitting Bear, daughter of Sitting Bear and Tripe. Sitting Bear father is Calico (Black Shield). So my dad was right, and wow I can't believe this is part of my family's history.
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