Need help identifying a Dakota family.

[Mitchell BigHunter]

Any know anything about this photo? i pulled it off the turtle mountain Sioux site page. it said h'damani was third from the right. 1872 they give the date. pretty intresting to me because Charles a Eastman wrote about the winter camp 1872 mouse river at turtle mountain.  but if he was the chief of his band wouldn't he be standing first. and ohiyesa mentioned something about wearing the same garments of his distinguished warrior teacher. he said they had pets. the guy beside the guy looks same size his head is a bit down from the other guy. but the guys standing beside the one with the feather. im pretty sure they are male figures but cant really tell. this looks like a family photo.  the first guy on the right is really tall.  everyone is dressed looks like its getting cold. so this would be there winter camp im guessing at the photo.  i the photo is from the Manitoba boundary commission. it is not detailed just the date 1872. 

what you guys think could that be inkpaduta? the first guy on the right? i know his boys were with him for the battle of little big horn.  but pretty interesting photo. hope we can find out more.

[Dietmar]

Thanks Mitchell, the picture is blurred, so it´s not possible to say something definite. I would be very surprised though, if it was taken in the early 1870s. Frankly, I would be even more surprised if it shows Inkpaduta, of whom there is not one authentic photo. However, a better scan would be good.

[Mitchell BigHunter]

i know right. it is interesting. this is the best one. maybe the originals are better. i will follow up on it. but it is interesting photo. is there known pictures of h'damani?

[Mitchell BigHunter]

I apologize for taking so long to get back to you on this. The photograph is No. 116 from the British North American Boundary Commission photographs. These photographs were taken between 1872 and 1876 (or 1874) by the four or five photographers who accompanied the British North American Boundary Commission. The photographs were originally in albums with captions, and the caption for this photo is “No. 116 [c. 1] Sioux Camp - Turtle Mountain.” Unfortunately, that’s the only information that we have about this image – the people in the photo were not identified. I’m sorry I’m unable to be of more assistance.



Yours truly, this is what info they gave me on the photo.

[Dietmar]

Thank you Mitchell. I´ll keep the photo in mind. I haven´t seen many photos from Turtle Mountain, so this is a rare one, I guess.



...just see that the photo is listed in the Western Canadian Pictorial index:

www.photoindex.ca/action.cfm?subject=Boundary%20Commission&mode=simple&display=grid

www.photoindex.ca/

[Mitchell BigHunter]

thats interesting, thanks. ill message the website and let them know or if they have any more info. have you contacted them?

[Mitchell BigHunter]

assinaboine branch off the pine shooters. dont think they were there during the Dakotas? or were they? after the Dakota left it became a Ojibwa reserve i think but not sure.

[Mitchell BigHunter]

his is from the book,  The Dakota of the Canadian north-west. alot of information and i found him being there thats why this photo could be a family photo. but hope we can figure this one out. be cool to have a some what of a pic of inkpaduta and his family. a 1st and maybe the only photo.  where eles do you think i can look for more information?

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[Mitchell BigHunter]

i found some paper saying the boy in front far left is name chaske- meaning first born son. but they called him sitting eagle later in life it says. did say anything else about the photo.

[Mitchell BigHunter]

Apr 10, 2020 16:03:11 GMT -5 Dietmar said:

Thank you Mitchell. I´ll keep the photo in mind. I haven´t seen many photos from Turtle Mountain, so this is a rare one, I guess.



...just see that the photo is listed in the Western Canadian Pictorial index:

www.photoindex.ca/action.cfm?subject=Boundary%20Commission&mode=simple&display=grid

www.photoindex.ca/




i have my doubts now about the photo. hdmani sons maybe but its a cool photo thought i update this photo. they sent me a better picture.


Beattie, Heather (SCH)

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I’ve attached a copy of British North American Boundary Commission photograph No. 116. I hope having a larger image is helpful. Thank you for your patience.







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[grahamew]

That's a great image. I had no idea it was taken then. I wonder if the man in that hat who has his shirt tucked into his pants is Metis

[Mitchell BigHunter]

Apr 22, 2020 7:26:00 GMT -5 grahamew said:

That's a great image. I had no idea it was taken then. I wonder if the man in that hat who has his shirt tucked into his pants is Metis


hey it could be, it is a very interesting photo from turtle mountain between 1872 and 74. do you think that first guy on the right would fir inkpadutas  description? they said they never got along. but from what i read his wife was his daughter. or the clothes could be all wrong, but what do you think? or did h'dmani have a taller son during this time period? 

[grahamew]

I don't know. I'm sure you know of the alleged photo of Inkpaduta and the man here looks nothing like that one. However, I'm not sure what the basis for suggesting the man in the photo below is Inkpaduta in the first place. Best I can work out is that it's guess. According to Mark Diedrich, Inkpaduta was born around 1800 so I think the only man who looks vaguely that old in the Boundary Commission photo is the man in the hat and he's nothing like the man in the photo below:



As far as I know, this first appeared in Mark Diedrich's Famous Dakota Chief 's Vol 1 (a revised version of Famous Indian Chiefs of the Eastern Sioux) It does show somebody old and it would have to have been taken right near the end of his life, presumably after Little Bighorn when he was traveling between Oak Lake, Turtle Mountain and Batoche (according to Diedrich) - beacuse he was dead by... 1879/1880.

Diedrich talks about his family after his death:

Little Spirit and Charley Maku reportedly lived near the Piapot Reserve as late as the 1920s; one daughter went to Devil's Lake with a Teton husband; his cousin. 'Mrs Bull Ghost', lived at Standing Rock until her death in 1924; other realtives, including Hdahda (Rattling) settled at Oak Lake and there was niece (Grey Eagle Woman) living there in 1970.

Both Diedrich and Paul Beck (in Inkpaduta: Dakota Leader) have "Tracking White Earth" mortally wounded at Little Bighorn and yet you have so much evidence that he went off to Canada afterwards.

[Mitchell BigHunter]

in the picture. looks like they drew two identical scars on both side of cheek of the drawing.  maybe straight threw the face fur sure but not sure when it took place. could this be the wound? and threw oak lake history. he lived and died in chanupawakpa.  pipestone creek , oak lake Manitoba. there are family's with the inkpaduta last name out there, Sharron inkpaduta can probably tell you more. shes on fb. shes from oaklake dakota.

but yeah i wasn't sure if that was actually him or who these people where. on the turtle mountain website they think is it hdmani third from the right and someone from chanupawakpa said that was him as a kid sitting in front to the left.  i thought this was Charles a Eastman because he came threw mouse river to the winter camp and according to the Canadian history books the Dakota went there and fort Garry to winter after 1862. im pretty sure Charles came with little crow and his uncle in 1862. he writes about his tribe in old Indian days. like he was with them and 1862 was the year they came up. here is Elizabeth big hunter. 1862. and she is with a mahpiyadutawin. jack red clouds wife stayed after he left bird tail. idk how much wives he had. but they seem to stick together on the censuses spreading 5 years apart for each census. and after awhile she changed her name on the 1921 census to pejutawakanhdewin. Charles called him mysterious medicine pejuta wakan. sort of like a final name. and he mentioned he earned big hunter, long rifle and white footprint.-oyemakasan. the name he explained him in his books he always used white footprint.  he was smart about it too. not to name drop. im sure it would have never got published.
 

[grahamew]

I have to admit that I would take the man with the coat and the sash and pouch as the leader, if only because he looks more formal than the others.