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Post by kingsleybray on May 12, 2020 7:44:45 GMT -5
yes clarence I agree that both Northern and some Southern Cheyenne leaders are found in the Big Ribs list. Most Southern Cheyennes and Dog Soldiers (aggregating approx. 270 lodges) had come north in early 1865 after Sand Creek. (Black Kettle and 80 lodges of Southern Cheyennes had gone south of the Arkansas river.) They returned piecemeal to the Central Plains from fall 1865 through summer 1866.
Big Head could, alternatively, be Tangle Hair the Dog Soldier headsman who eventually (after 1869?) settled in the north.
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Post by clarence on May 18, 2020 14:43:12 GMT -5
I revised my main scheme always including Sweet Medicine Chief among the 4 Old Man Chiefs. The latters were Coucil Chiefs who distinguished themselves for wisdom in the previous decade. I tried to take in account this aspect too.
After World War I US President requested a figure to which confer the honors for the Cheyenne participation in the conflict. Laban Little Wolf was then appointed as first Head Chief or White Man's Chief. From 1934 the charge was taken on the President of the Tribal Council, the new parliament established by the New Deal Reorganisation Act which operated under the supervision of the Bureau of Indian Affairs and implicitly replaced the Chiefs Council as main tribal authority.
I added Lame White Man as a 1864 Southern Council Chief, band unknown. Father Peter J. Powell reports ("Sweet Medicine: The Continuing Role of the Sacred Arrows, the Sun Dance, and the Sacred Buffalo Hat in Northern Cheyenne History", p. 100, footnotes) "Wooden Leg describes Lame White Man as being one of the Old Man Chiefs of the Southern Cheyennes, but says he was not a chief among the Northeners. (...) John Stands In Timber describes Lame White Man as being one of the Council Chiefs". I tend to rule out that he could have been nominated Old Man Chief by the Southern branch of the tribe he left immediatly after the Sand Creek massacre at the age of 25 (he was born in 1839). However it's not unlikely he could have been welcomed as a Coucil Chief in 1864 Southern Chiefs' Renewing Ceremony (or whenever was it organized). His band affiliation is something I couldn't also figure out. He left the South after the massacre but no clue nor author testifies his presence in the battle. That would suggest his provenance from one of those bands which where not involved in the conflict like the Southern Suhtai, the Masikota and the Hotamitaniu (Dog Soldiers). John Stands In Timber seems to allude to the latters when stating at page 219 of his "Memories": "My grandmother Twin Woman...her children...were living with Tangled Hair, the head man of my grandfather Lame White Man's family". So a Dog Soldier by band and an Elk Horn Scraper by military affiliation?
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Post by Mike on Aug 16, 2020 13:34:33 GMT -5
Finally a thread on the Cheyenne that I’ve been waiting for and it happens while I’m in a move across country. I have so much to add and comment on, but will have to wait until I have unpacked my research and am in the place where I can make this a priority. In the meantime, excellent work all of you. Hopefully in the end we will all have a much more accurate picture of the history of Cheyenne leadership.
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