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Post by Dietmar on Apr 6, 2020 7:35:33 GMT -5
I would agree to everything you said above...also to your assumption that the colored images are Spencer photos. Both names were among the 1893 show performers.
I´m working on the big group photo, so stay tuned.. ;-)
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Post by grahamew on Apr 6, 2020 8:05:08 GMT -5
One more thing: the statue of the male Indian at The World's fair has a face based on No Neck's (Hmmm, or maybe Yankton Charlie's...), doesn't it? I know about Kicking Bear modelling for a couple of sculptures, but not about this.
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Post by Dietmar on Apr 6, 2020 9:05:43 GMT -5
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Post by grahamew on Apr 6, 2020 10:02:41 GMT -5
Ecellent! The article here www.sdhspress.com/journal/south-dakota-history-21-3/indians-on-the-midway-wild-west-shows-and-the-indian-bureau-at-worlds-fairs-1893-1904 notes that not only did Cody have his Show Indians, but he also brought 100 more from Standing Rock, Pine Ridge and Rosebud more to visit the Fair and take part in the opening ceremonies - which might account for George Sword's presence. Rightly or wrongly, Man Afraid, Kicking Bear and Short Bull are mentioned as being there (presumably part of the 100), as is Jack Red Cloud, who we know from your research on the Rain in the Face thread, was there with the T R Roddy group and the Sitting Bull cabin exhibit. On yop f that, it sees that there were a group of Oglalas as part of the 'Indian Vilage.'
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Post by Dietmar on Apr 7, 2020 3:28:02 GMT -5
I found this remark about Spencer in my early 'bible' by Paula Fleming:
"Confusion exists over authorship of some of Spencer's photographs. Some are copies of works by D.F. Barry, and some are also credited to Reynolds Photo Company (also of Chicago), and to Stilwill." The North American Indians in Early Photographs by Paula R. Fleming and Judith Luskey, page 244
Do we have to think about the Barry issue again? Did Barry perhaps photograph the returning 'Show Indian' troupe in 1893 and Spencer distributed them? Sounds not plausible to me, or what do you think?
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Post by grahamew on Apr 7, 2020 4:02:43 GMT -5
Hadn't Barry gone back to Wisconsin by then? If he took them, they must be from 1890 or earlier. Like you, I don't think it's beyond the the realms of possibility that they both had the same studio backdrop. What seems to be missing in the Spencer photos are the props Barry uses - the fence, the fake rock, the animal skin rug on the floor and those railing/blocks that turn up whichever backdrop he uses. For me, the odd thing about Barry's use of the backdrop is the Hairy Chin photo which has to be four years later than the Gall and Sitting Bull Combination shots. Gall and family - from Gall's appearance, this has to be no later than mid-80s Exactly the same clothing, but a different backdrop. Barry's studio must have multiple backdrops. The interesting thing about the Sitting Bull Combination photos is that there's no photo of Sitting Bull with that backdrop. I suspect Fleming and Luskey were just as confused about this as we are - unless the Hairy Chin tale is incorrect and this photo is also from around 1885...
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Post by Dietmar on Apr 7, 2020 4:28:29 GMT -5
I never had thought about it much... but where did the photographers got their backdrops from? Are they all original paintings or were there more than one copies? Was there a market for them?
Btw, I´ve read that Ben Janis with John Shangreau was interpreter of the 1893 tour and I think he´s in the group photo at far right.
As you stated above, Grahame, there are newspaper accounts that affirm the presence of many prominent men at the World´s fair as guests. Red Cloud, Jack Red Cloud, Short Bull, Kicking Bear, Two Strike, Young-Man-Afraid-of-his-Horses and probably more.
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Post by grahamew on Apr 7, 2020 8:20:05 GMT -5
If the first two are to be credited to Spencer, then the third picture would seem to belong to the same group because I think it's the same backdrop: Eagle Star Yankton Charlie/Plenty Wolves Unidentified
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Post by Dietmar on Apr 7, 2020 16:07:56 GMT -5
If the third photo shows Good Eagle, as I believe, it would fit between the other Buffalo Bill Show performer photos. I assume these photos were taken earlier, probably on the 1891/92 tour.
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Post by grahamew on Apr 10, 2020 9:40:29 GMT -5
Knife George Standing Bear
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Post by grahamew on Apr 20, 2020 9:47:17 GMT -5
Back to the World's Fair - from Ely Parker's scrapbooks (Vol 6) in the Newberry Library:
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Post by grahamew on Apr 27, 2020 13:08:29 GMT -5
I've just been looking at the thread on Frank Lehner photographs in the thread on Wild West Shows. The documentation notes that he was probably a collector rather than a photographer. Of the 38 images, at least one was taken by Bavarian court photographer J. Seiling, and possibly two by Carles Henry Braithwaite in Leeds, England. Several photos share one of the backdrops in images we've credited to Spencer. The documentation isn't accurate when it comes to some of the identifications and tribal attribution (https://sirismm.si.edu/EADpdfs/NMAI.AC.147.pdf), but it states that the photos were taken on the 1891 tour - there are some that obviously weren't taken then and there's one that states it's Cody when it isn't, but... This photo of Lone Bull surely has the same background as this: Paul Eagle Star died in 1891 in Sheffield, England, which means this series of images - Spencer's or not - has to be correctly dated. There's also this photo of John Nelson with the same backdrop:
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Post by grahamew on May 16, 2020 11:55:41 GMT -5
Red Feather and Eagle Bear
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Post by grahamew on Jul 24, 2020 9:50:30 GMT -5
Last Horse, wife and daughter
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Post by grahamew on Jul 27, 2020 14:14:49 GMT -5
Black Bear - a clearer version of the one already posted
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