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Post by grahamew on Jun 20, 2010 4:45:19 GMT -5
Thanks for posting this. Great picture.
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Post by grahamew on Aug 31, 2010 12:57:52 GMT -5
Perhaps this is where the idea that the above etching represents Poundmaker comes from. The Graphic, a weekly British newspaper of the time, published this in 1885:  You can see that Big Bear is taken from Barry's photo of The Crow (also known as Pispisa Ho Waste/Good Voice Prairie Dog) The actual identity of the man remains uncertain ( amertribes.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=portraits&action=display&thread=150 ), but now we know it's from 1885 or earlier. For good measure, here's an engraving of Poundmaker addressing his people from "Winnipeg War Sketches", May, 1885, and it, too, seems to be based on the photograph of Soup/Two Crows.  |
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Post by rory on Jul 2, 2012 16:05:42 GMT -5
... a note in the Smithsonian archives which helps to explain how the mix up was perpetuated as well as the photographer being F.J. Haynes.
"Note from M. Blaker to Mr Ewers (12/2/66). This is one of 6 unidentified photographs left for copying by Dr Frost, whom you sent over to see me last September. It is reproduced in Following the Frontier with F. Jay Haynes, 1964, page 220 with the caption, "The Famous Blackfoot Warrior, Two Crow." I would judge that this means Blackfoot Dakota, from the costume. Would you agree ??
Note to M. Blaker from Mr Ewers. Yes, I think he must be other than a Blackfoot Blackfoot. However, strangely enough, there is a reproduction of this same portrait in John E. Parsons The First Winchester The Story of the 1866 Repeating Rifle, page 145, captioned "Poundmaker, Chief of the Crees." And the portrait is attributed to "Courtesy of Royal Canadian Mounted Police."
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Post by grahamew on Jul 3, 2012 1:54:30 GMT -5
Thanks, Rory.
Edit: There also appears to have been a Hunkpapa Two Crow(s) who scouted for General Miles while Sitting Bull was in Canada.
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Post by grahamew on Oct 5, 2012 8:22:58 GMT -5
Rory, the engraving at the top is based on a David F. Barry photo of Two Feathers (presumably Lakota) probably taken in the mid 1880s.
The photo below is interesting becase the writing is in the Lakota dialect, so I'd always assumed him to be one of the Lakota who went to Canada with Sitting Bull - and possibly even one of those who stayed. Is that a small pipe he has in his mouth? The only other photos I've seen where men are smoking a pipe like this have been of Blackfoot, Cree and a man (possibly Metis) in a group of Dakota.
I'll post the Two Feathers photo later unless Dietmar or someone else does first.
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Post by grahamew on Oct 5, 2012 10:37:16 GMT -5
What happened to your post, Rory? Here's the photo anyhow:  No date for certain, but the backdrop resembles those Barry photos from the mid-80s. ... And this is identified incorrectly too because it's No Heart (Canté-wani'ca - later known as Joseph No Heart/Medicine Joe), a Yanktonai |
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Post by garry on Sept 11, 2014 13:42:33 GMT -5
This is Miserable Man surrendering - presumably staged for the camera after the actual event. Is this the same man as above? It looks like he's been divested of his 'traditional' clothing and dressed in some kind of prison uniform, if it is. Perhaps he had a hair cut too.  Here's Miserable Man and Wandering Spirit, painted by Alexander Campbell, a sergeant with the 7th Fusiliers, a battalion of militia which was headquartered in London, Ontario and sent to the West during the Riel Rebellion. He based these on his own sketches made in the field.  |
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Post by garry on Sept 11, 2014 13:52:32 GMT -5
grahamew, I believe the drawing purported to be Wandering Spirit is not really WS. Even though I used the drawing on the cover of my biography of Wandering Spirit, I do not believe he was with the group that the artist encountered. I think the drawing is of Miserable Man who was with that group. WS was at the time further north with the group that eventually surrendered at Fort Pitt.
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Post by grahamew on Oct 28, 2014 8:27:55 GMT -5
Thanks
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Post by Historian on Apr 27, 2016 9:23:11 GMT -5
 Poundmaker's son and his wife FYI - This is a photo of the Cree man known as Suc-ah-mah-tah-mi-ah (who was the son of Poundmaker), standing with his son, taken in 1896. |
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Post by Historian on Apr 27, 2016 9:36:10 GMT -5
 Chief Pitikwahanapiwiyin / "The Drummer" Chief Poundmaker/Pitikwahanapiwiyin, AKA. "Wolf thin legs" (Cree)1839?-1886. This is an original albumen photograph, not found in any on line archives (Circa 1885). No photographers imprint on a blank card. Photographer: Anonymous? FYI - It seems pretty obvious, but just in case I wanted to point out that the white designs on Poundmaker's shirt sleeves and vest were painted onto the photo by the photographer, presumably to 'enhance' the subject and make it more interesting for a potential customer. An early marketing technique seen in many old photos of Native folks. |
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Post by grahamew on Apr 27, 2016 16:04:41 GMT -5
Poundmaker's son and his wife FYI - This is a photo of the Cree man known as Suc-ah-mah-tah-mi-ah (who was the son of Poundmaker), standing with his son, taken in 1896. How on earth didn't I see that?!  |
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Post by craigwuttunee on May 18, 2019 22:33:40 GMT -5
What happened to your post, Rory? Here's the photo anyhow:   What can anyone tell me about this image? Who is this person, who was the photographer, what year was the photo taken? Here in Saskatchewan at the archives this is one of the images they say is Chief Red Pheasant but it looks nothing like another actual photo of Red Pheasant. No date for certain, but the backdrop resembles those Barry photos from the mid-80s. Attachments:
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Post by gregor on May 21, 2019 7:38:58 GMT -5
What happened to your post, Rory? Here's the photo anyhow: What can anyone tell me about this image? Who is this person, who was the photographer, what year was the photo taken? Here in Saskatchewan at the archives this is one of the images they say is Chief Red Pheasant but it looks nothing like another actual photo of Red Pheasant. No date for certain, but the backdrop resembles those Barry photos from the mid-80s. This is apparently about a Canadian event (and I am not an expert in this). This pic is a woodcut after a photo that, in my opinion, should simply illustrate a newspaper article. It's probably about Red Pheasant a Plains Cree chief, who had a role in connection with the Riel Rebellion 1881 (?). There is a similar woodcut on the side of the McCord Museum supposed to show Poundmaker, but in no way resembles him (see here www.biographi.ca/bioimages/original.2465.jpg)  IMHO: Photos from Lakota seem to have served as models. This is the original www.pinterest.de/pin/429179039474296271 |
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Post by gregor on May 21, 2019 10:48:07 GMT -5
So, I think I got it. This man is Two Feathers by D.F. Barry. Some sources say he was Oglala, but I think he was Hunkpapa.  |
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