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Post by jinlian on Oct 9, 2008 5:10:26 GMT -5
In J. Walker's Lakota Belief and Ritual there's this photograph labeled "Blue Horse, Sioux". Now, it may be me, but the man photographed doesn't look like Blue Horse (even if he has one eye missing). Can someone confirm the identification?
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Post by jinlian on Oct 12, 2008 13:43:11 GMT -5
I strongly suspect that this image is the one filed in the Smithsonian archive as follows: "Summary: Post card photograph, by Stevens ? Full length, standing, front, native dress, holding bow and arrows. Bio / His Notes: "His father was killed by Red Cloud." "Blue Horse was shot in back with arrow. Red Cloud also killed Bull Bear and Standing Soldier. All killed from ambush."" As Dietmar pointed out in another thread, the biographical info are quite inaccurate - are we sure the man photographed is in fact Blue Horse? My gut feeling keeps saying no, but I'd like to hear other opinions. Here's a panorama image to compare this picture with other images of the "real" Blue Horse:
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Post by grahamew on Oct 12, 2008 16:16:34 GMT -5
Images two and three, years apart, are so clearly of the same man; the Walker photo is surely a different man. When did Blue Horse die?
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Post by jinlian on Oct 12, 2008 16:22:47 GMT -5
Hi Grahame, thanks for your answer. Image 2 is a 1872 A. Gardner's , image 3 a 1901 Arnold's (made at the Pan-Am). According to the info provided by Ephriam a few months ago, Blue Horse died in 1909 at about 88. I'm not sure about when and where the "mysterious" photograph was taken.
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Post by jinlian on Oct 13, 2008 18:37:46 GMT -5
Here's another "Blue Horse, Sioux" by John A. Johnson, 1908. A son, maybe?
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Post by Historian on Feb 3, 2009 13:10:54 GMT -5
Blue Horse - Oglala - 1872 Blue Horse (Oglala) was born circa 1821. Blue Horse is listed as 'Head of the Household' (age 67) with his wife Council Fire (age 55), on the Indian Census at Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, Dakota Territory, in 1886. Blue Horse is again listed as 'Head of the Household' on the Indian Census at Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, Wakpamini District, Shannon Co., Dakota Territory, on 30 June 1904, at age 84.
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Post by jinlian on Feb 8, 2009 18:57:26 GMT -5
Not top quality, but the missing eye is frightfully evident.
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Post by rich00 on Oct 16, 2012 8:13:47 GMT -5
I have been studying Jinlian's comparison of photos of Blue Horse. I agree. My reaction is that the Smithsonian photo is not Blue Horse. Contrary to the notes given the Smithsonian Archives, as we know, Red Cloud did not kill Blue Horse's father. He killed Old Chief Bull Bear. Therefore, this may be an image of Old Chief Bull Bear's son, Young Bull Bear. Are there images of Young Bull Bear to compare?
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Post by gregor on Oct 17, 2012 13:06:07 GMT -5
I think we all agree that this man is not the famous Chief Blue Horse. Maybe he was an other Blue Horse, it was not unusual that different men had the same name (e.g. Sitting Bull, American Horse, Red Fox etc.). By the way, see here for more information on Blue Horse: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_Blue_HorseIn this essay is a picture which shows allegedly Blue Horses' twin Big Mouth I have never seen a Big Mouth pic before. Unfortunately i can't read the caption in the pic. Can we be sure that the man in the photo is really Big Mouth (to me he looks more like a Comanche). What do you think?
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Post by gregor on Oct 17, 2012 13:33:29 GMT -5
I found another picture oft his Big Mouth. The hand written caption says "Arapaho". I assume that the caption "Chief Big Mouth" has been added later. And here we have him again, these photos were shot by Gardner in 1872. Big Mouth was a member of an Arapaho Delegation. Big Mouth - I think he was a great orator.
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Post by grahamew on Oct 18, 2012 1:38:24 GMT -5
This man is Big Mouth, the Arapaho, also known as Big Mouth Hawk, I believe.
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Post by Californian on Jul 29, 2023 13:43:32 GMT -5
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