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Post by ouroboros on May 26, 2021 12:01:03 GMT -5
You are welcome chicheman. The Mescaleros had also very friendly relations with the Jicarillas, whom they called Chiyahene (living close to house people). As for the Jicarillas they - as it seems - did not interact with the Chiricahuas. The Jicarilla interactions with the Mescaleros are a fascinating subject. Both peoples frequently intermarried and formed an alliance to protect New Mexico against the threat of the Comanches, Kiowas, and Cheyennnes.
As Bernice Sunday Eiselt, Becoming White Clay: A History and Archaeology of Jicarilla Apache Enclavement, p. 173 argues:
Indeed the Mescalero Apache are one of the most fascinating group among the Apacheans. They have intermarried with Lipans, Jicarillas, Chiricahuas (mainly Chokonen and Chihenne). Created alliances with Lipans, Jicarlillas, Chriciahuas (an alliance with the Nednai/Ndéndai is reported by reservation period Mescaleros). Formed intertribal groupings which included mixed Chihenne-Mescalero and Lipan-Mescalero groups. Interchangeably fought the Comanches or cooperated with them against the Mexicans and Americans.
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Post by ouroboros on Oct 29, 2021 10:56:18 GMT -5
There are some fine observations by Harry Baseheart (Mescalero Apache Subsistence Patterns and Socio-political Organization, p. 137) on the friendly relations between Eastern Chiricahuas and the group known as Agua Nueva, possibly identical with the Zitachisene and Tsebekinende:
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Post by ouroboros on Dec 24, 2021 4:20:30 GMT -5
There is an Apache account that the Warm Springs group of the Chihenne band recognized the Mescaleros as their kinsmen:
Jason Betzinez, I fought with Geronimo, p. 43: But it is not certain whether Betzinez thought of Mescaleros proper or rather of a mysterious Apache group called by the Europeans Agua Nuevas. It goes for the Zitachisene/dziłdakłijende "Blue Mountain People". They were sometimes classified as an ofshoot of the Warm Springs.
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Post by ouroboros on Dec 25, 2021 3:04:50 GMT -5
Jason Betzinez, I fought with Geronimo, p. 2, claims that: ibidem, p. 15, there is the whole Betzinez's opinion on the Nedhni, which I partially mentioned above: and ibidem, p. 76:
There was an opinion that the Nedhni/Netdahe were the most courtous of all Apaches. This can be supported by a fragment of Betzinez account - ibidem, p. 16:
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