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Omaha
Oct 14, 2018 20:53:03 GMT -5
Post by Californian on Oct 14, 2018 20:53:03 GMT -5
I have owned this image for a number of years. It is an albumen print, estimated creation date approx. the 1880's - the image is not mounted - seemingly never has been - and thus difficult to pin down a geographic location. Anyone offering assistance and opinions to identify the tribal affiliation would be appreciated. My personal take is that it might be Sauk and Fox, Otoe or Osage - but I do not claim to be expert. The beadwork on the leggings look familiar to what I have seen as identified as Osage, Otoe or Sauk and Fox - perhaps even Ojibwa or Pawnee ?
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Post by grahamew on Oct 15, 2018 12:25:29 GMT -5
Have to admit, I thought the robe and fringed shirt might mean this was an earlier photo. On the other hand, the backdrop reminds me of those in Carl Gunther's Osage photos taken in Berlin in 1884: I've seen several of these, though not the one you own. However, I think it's Yellow Smoke of the Omaha. Here he is in Paris, 1883, with Standing Bear and their wives: The fact this group of Omaha visited other European cities might mean this is a Gunther after all
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Omaha
Oct 15, 2018 16:27:02 GMT -5
Post by Californian on Oct 15, 2018 16:27:02 GMT -5
hi Grahamew thank you very kindly for your response and the great find. I did not expect to be able to actually identify the person in my image - but thanks to your input and my googling around a bit with the information received from you it all matches up. This is indeed Yellow Smoke of the Omaha nation and I even found some more images of him on the University of Indiana website - that clearly identify him, not just by physical features, but also the head covering and ear ornaments. The group image that you furnished I found on pinterest, it has a caption that mentions the Pawnee nation, but that is clearly incorrect based on the other sources.
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Omaha
Oct 15, 2018 16:50:04 GMT -5
Post by Californian on Oct 15, 2018 16:50:04 GMT -5
here are the other images I found for Yellow Smoke of the Omaha nation first two - courtesy University of Indiana (by Smithsonian Institution) second - seemingly the oldest, Yellow Smoke is second from the right with his hands turned up
last - group image taken while in Paris, France
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Omaha
Oct 15, 2018 17:40:47 GMT -5
Post by Californian on Oct 15, 2018 17:40:47 GMT -5
here is one more image - supposedly taken in 1883 while in Amsterdam, Netherlands - part of the head gear is the same as in my picture and the ear ornaments can be clearly identified as the same - this is Yellow Smoke of the Omaha nation. There seem to have been at least 3 men among the Omaha with the name Yellow Smoke - one was murdered in 1868 and thus cannot be the one in the image, another one whose image is in the Getty Library dated about 1910 is much younger and rather corpulent is thus a different person as well.
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Omaha
Oct 16, 2018 9:15:48 GMT -5
Post by grahamew on Oct 16, 2018 9:15:48 GMT -5
Actually, I now suspect Gunther's subjects have been misidentified as Osage. I think the man in the post above is Bright Eye, an Omaha, so it's likely your photo is a Gunther too.
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Omaha
Oct 16, 2018 13:10:21 GMT -5
Post by Californian on Oct 16, 2018 13:10:21 GMT -5
hi Grahamew thanks for your comment. I am a bit confused, you mention a different name, Bright Eye, not Yellow Smoke. I found all these other images - clearly the same man, but billed as Yellow Smoke as you originally stated. The backdrop on my print is precisely the same as the one in the Carl Günther image in Berlin. My image, an albumen print but not mounted (very thin paper) has this black edge around the left and the bottom thus I think it is likely a plagiarized but period copy of an original print by Carl Günther. I found two more images by Carl Günther which are at the Gilcrease Museum (please see below) and these are billed as Osage
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Omaha
Oct 16, 2018 14:17:26 GMT -5
Post by grahamew on Oct 16, 2018 14:17:26 GMT -5
Yeah, I know. Maybe he photographed Osage too, but this is a photo of Bright Eye, who was an Omaha. Isn't it the same I posted further up the thread? This is another Gunther Osage, according to the Gilcrease, but he looks a lot like the Omaha Standing Bear: Unidentified Osage Standing Bear of the Omaha
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Omaha
Oct 17, 2018 14:52:27 GMT -5
Post by Californian on Oct 17, 2018 14:52:27 GMT -5
you are right, that looks very much like Standing Bear - going from the facial features and ear ornaments.
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