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Post by kc on Aug 16, 2018 1:13:06 GMT -5
This is the Pawnee Delegation to Washington DC in 1858. Do we know who these people are??
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Post by Dietmar on Aug 16, 2018 4:07:09 GMT -5
kc, I´ve been working for some time on the identifications of all 1857/58 delegation members of the various Indian nations in Washington, but only some of them are definite. More probably later... Pipe Chief aka Medicine Pipe Chief probably stands just behind Man Chief aka Petalesharo. There were 16 Pawnee delegates plus Samuel Allis (interpreter/missionary) and Major Dennison (agent) and his daughter visiting the East in 1857/58 and meeting President Buchanan. The Chaui (Grand), Kitkehahki (Republican), Pitahauerat (Tappah) and Skidi (Loup) Pawnee tribes each sent four delegates. The full photograph of the edited picture above actually was taken on December 31, 1857 at the White House.
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Post by kc on Aug 16, 2018 12:40:17 GMT -5
Thank you so much for your reply! I recognized Petalesharo, but it's nice to see others. Family lore has always said Big Spotted Horse (my 3rd great-grandfather) went to DC to meet the president. However, I can find no record of him being there, nor can I recognize him in any photo. Can you shed any light on the matter?
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Post by Dietmar on Aug 16, 2018 16:59:30 GMT -5
kc,
I have the names of all 16 Pawnee delegates of 1857/58, but Big Spotted Horse is not among them. I haven´t been able to find any record of him in later delegations to Washington, yet. It doesn´t mean he wasn´t there. I´ll keep my eyes open.
Big Spotted Horse, as I´m sure you know, was indeed a delegate to the Grand Council at Okmulgee, Indian Territory, in 1875.
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Post by gleb on Nov 16, 2020 10:34:17 GMT -5
Dear Dietmar!
May I ask about the names of Pawnee delegation of 1857/58?
Do you have a list of those who visit the US capital? Or those who signed the 1857 treaty?
Thank you in advance!
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Post by Dietmar on Nov 16, 2020 17:02:44 GMT -5
Hi Gleb,
sure, I´ll look for them and post them later...
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Post by Dietmar on Nov 19, 2020 12:08:45 GMT -5
This is the Pawnee delegation of 1857/58:
Grand Pawnee / Chaui:
Man Chief aka Man and Chief, Petalesharo, Grand Pawnee principal chief
Medicine Pipe Chief aka Pipe Chief, La-hak-tan-du-he-sha a-du, Grand Pawnee 2nd chief
The Conqueror aka The man that makes the enemy poor, Ti-ro-wot-ka-to-huk/ Te-da-wat-ka-roke, Grand Pawnee 3rd chief
Buffalo Bull aka Ki-ni-ka/Ke-we-ka, Grand Pawnee warrior, son-in-law of Man Chief
Republican Pawnee / Kitkehahki:
The Chief Whom They Look Upon aka The one the Great Spirit Smiles on Ne-sha-du-si-di te-zi-ka/ Na-sharo-se-de-ta-ra-ko, Republican Pawnee principal chief
A Man but a Chief aka Na-sharo-cho-hicko, Republican Pawnee 2nd chief
Brave Chief aka Chief and a Brave, Ne-sha-re-ru-re-ra Hi-kute, Republican Pawnee 3rd chief
A Man Always at War aka La-la-we-ku-wa-ra, Republican Pawnee warrior
Loup Pawnee / Skidi / Wolf Pawnee / Panimaha:
Sword Chief aka Le-its-a-na-sharo, Loup Pawnee principal chief
Gray Eagle Chief aka Le-ta-kuts-na-sharo, Loup Pawnee 2nd chief
Only Chief, aka Scalla-la-na-sharo, Loup Pawnee 3rd chief
Owner of Many Horses aka Tuck a-lix-tah, Loup Pawnee warrior (died while in Washington)
Tappah Pawnee / Pitahauerat /Noisy Pawnee / Tappage / Tappaye :
Big Chief aka Na-sharo-la-da-hoo, Tappah Pawnee principal chief
Hawk Chief aka Le-coot-wa-coots-o-nasharo, Tappah Pawnee 2nd chief
Principal Chief aka Paw-nee-ki-eke, Tappah Pawnee 3rd chief
A Man That Defeats His Enemy In The Water aka Lad-o-na-sharo-ka-cha, Tappah Pawnee warrior
Samuel Allis, interpreter/missionary
Major Dennison, agent, and his daughter
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Post by gleb on Dec 3, 2020 16:37:53 GMT -5
Thank you very much, Dietmar!
What is the source of this list? Newspapers? the list does not not fit the treaty names.
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Post by Dietmar on Dec 3, 2020 18:08:24 GMT -5
Gleb, it´s a combination of various sources, among them some excellent newspaper articles of 1857/58.
I have done some research on all delegations that year a couple of years ago, but I remember that the Washington Union newspaper of January 3rd 1858 provided a lot of info.
As it always is the case with newspapers, the Indian names might be given inaccurately to some degree, so there´s always a question mark behind them.
However, it seems as not all signers of the treaty went to Washington.
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Post by gleb on Dec 4, 2020 15:44:20 GMT -5
Dietmar! Thank you very much for your kind help! Working on these articles and the Pawnee delegation names now. Guess the 2nd Loup Pawnee (Skiri) chief Gray Eagle Chief aka Le-ta-kuts-na-sharo became the principal Skiri chief in the 1860-s. Here is my comparisons of Carbutt and Jackson field photos of 1866 and 1871.
Unfortunately I could not find the possible Eagle Chief among the group photos, mean "before the White House" and "on the White House lawn"...
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Post by gleb on Dec 4, 2020 15:46:09 GMT -5
Sorry, forget the images! Attachments:
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Post by gleb on Dec 4, 2020 15:47:19 GMT -5
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Post by gleb on Dec 4, 2020 15:48:26 GMT -5
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Post by Dietmar on Dec 6, 2020 7:54:37 GMT -5
Thanks Gleb. Mmmh, I have to concentrate on the 1857 photo again, but I haven´t recognized him yet. There are a few years between the Brady and Jackson photos...
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