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Post by jinlian on Sept 18, 2008 16:26:47 GMT -5
About the first two pictures: can't say anything about identities, but they're wearing some regalia associated with the Apsalooka Hot Dance (the feather and buffalo headdress, the whip, the sash). There must have been quite a big community at Fort Custer - there could be more than 100 participants (active and non active) in a Hot Dance.
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Post by jinlian on Sept 25, 2008 6:52:28 GMT -5
Bull Nose, Crow scout, b. 1817. d.1896, was a renowned warrior who sided wih agent Armstrong during the dispute about settlements in the Crow agency in 1883
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Post by grahamew on Sept 25, 2008 13:39:37 GMT -5
Good to see the thread reactivated! Here are some Barry Crows. White Bear (Herrin, of course, copied Barry's photographs and sold them with his own imprint): "Joe and Squaw". Not convinced about this one. There's a Barry photo of Wolf Chief with the same background and on the same auction site; he is said to be Crow, but I'm fairly sure he's the Hidatsa, so maybe "Joe" is too! Wolf Chief: Wagon Man - Crow or Hidatsa or Arikara? Sitting Woman - but this time named War Man!
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Post by Dietmar on Sept 25, 2008 14:52:27 GMT -5
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Post by jinlian on Sept 25, 2008 17:11:06 GMT -5
I love this thread too and all the beautiful pictures provided by Grahame and Henri. I have been quite busy in these last days, but always had my 5 minutes of "Apsalooka watching" here. They're wonderful looking people and have a great culture and history too. About the last pictures: never seen or heard of about "Wolf Chief" and "Joe", so, as you both pointed out, most probably they were Hidatsa. Joe's wife's dress and ornaments look more Lakota than Crow, anyway. White Bear was another of these army scouts, born in 1856 - the man looks to be in his middle 30s, so I suppose the photographs was taken by late 1880s. About "War Man": there's a Crow bearing that name, one of the first members of the tribe to enroll in the army's scouts. He was also one of the "progressive" elements (together with Iron Bull) who in 1882 supported agent Armstrong's policy of settlements and farming, with others as Plenty Coups and Pretty Eagle opposing it. War Man ended up settling near Fort Custer - since he's not mentioned in the 1885 census, I suppose he died shortly after 1882. Now, as said before, I haven't heard about any Sitting Woman other than the war chief who disgraced himself in fighting the Piegan (and who would have been too old to be the man in the picture) so probably the man is in fact War Man, who may have been also called Sitting Woman.
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Post by jinlian on Sept 26, 2008 5:38:28 GMT -5
The individual portraits of the members of the 1880 delegation -I'm sure most of you have already seen them, but they're always nice to look at : Two Belly Old Crow Pretty Eagle Plenty Coups Medicine Crow The only one whose individual protrait is missing is Long Elk - I haven't been able to find it so far and now I wonder if in fact he was photographed with the others. Any further information on this?
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Post by jinlian on Sept 26, 2008 9:46:11 GMT -5
Some gorgeous pictures sent by Henri: By Fouch: Curley Iron Bull Photographer unknown? Bull Ear
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Post by grahamew on Sept 26, 2008 12:02:22 GMT -5
Nice to see the Fouche pictures. The last one is a Gilbert. Are you sure he's Crow? I had a cropped portrait from this labelled (somewhat unlikely) 'Tommy Hawk', a Mandan, credited to 'Welch'. The backdrop is Gilbert's later one and he certainly photographed the Berthold Indians. I haven't seen a Gilbert Crow before, but his photos are said to be rare. Either way, I'm copying this a and pasting it into the Gilbert thead. Edit: Well, now I look again, the photo I have is NOT a cropped version, but it is the same man, possibly from the same session:
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Post by grahamew on Sept 26, 2008 12:10:10 GMT -5
Here's Alligator Stands Up later in life. Where on earth did that name come from?
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Post by jinlian on Sept 26, 2008 13:16:46 GMT -5
Have never heard of a Crow Bull Ear, but the leggings' design is definitely Crow. About Alligator Stands Up: I've been wondering about that name for ages!
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Post by grahamew on Sept 27, 2008 4:27:55 GMT -5
I have seen photos of other Berthold Indians wearing leggings of this design. I wonder if he's Hidatsa. Here's a Haynes photo of some Hidatsas:
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Post by jinlian on Sept 27, 2008 5:45:04 GMT -5
Plenty Coups and Big Shoulder Blade, Washington, 1905. I wonder if Henri has further information about the picture (is it from an auction? If yes, under which label was it presented?)
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Post by Henri on Sept 27, 2008 11:28:03 GMT -5
Bull Ear comes from a 2002 calendar made and distributed by a Crow lady. I have several of these calendars and all have Crow people on it. Henri
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Post by jinlian on Sept 27, 2008 13:54:34 GMT -5
Sometimes it's hard to tell Apsalooka from Hidatsa but Bull Ear's leggings really look similar to those of Plenty Coups...
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Post by grahamew on Sept 28, 2008 2:59:20 GMT -5
Here's another Bell view of Old Bull:
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