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Post by grahamew on Sept 9, 2008 11:29:40 GMT -5
Any information on the following? Little Medicine Sun in a Cloud Grey Horse
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Post by jinlian on Sept 9, 2008 12:09:38 GMT -5
Hi Grahame, in a hurry - "Grey Horse" is in fact Old Coyote, an army scout born in 1855 (son of a Piegan, incidentally) who fought at the Rosebud and was Crow tribal historian Barney Old Coyote's grandfather. Have to check the others, but I don't seem to recall having heard their names before. Will check later this week.
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Post by grahamew on Sept 9, 2008 15:44:13 GMT -5
Thanks. I think I have that picture somewhere too! Are thye Haynes' photos?
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Post by jinlian on Sept 9, 2008 16:37:08 GMT -5
Think so- it must have been taken in the early 1880s, as the Old Coyote & Big Medicine families picture you posted in the Half Yellow Face thread (similar backdrop - also, Old Coyote is wearing the same regalia):
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Post by jinlian on Sept 9, 2008 17:04:36 GMT -5
About "Little Medicine" and "Sun in a Cloud": I've checked the 1885 Crow Agency census data and neither name is listed there.
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Post by grahamew on Sept 10, 2008 1:50:19 GMT -5
The remaining photo I copied with this set is slightly different - a close medium shot instead of the full figure, so the backdrop is impossible to make out; anyhow: Big Ox, Crow:
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Post by jinlian on Sept 10, 2008 4:12:31 GMT -5
Big Ox ( Bisheitsidi-sash) b. in 1834, River Crow, "Not Mixed" clan, Kit-Foxes society. A noted warrior in his youth and early maturity, his career ended abruptly in 1877, when, according to oral traditions, his rival White Thigh (whose wife was allegedly seduced by Big Ox) made medicine against him and he lost property and prestige. Big Ox, after a vision, in turn threw a curse on White Thigh who, after a while, became blind. Afterwards, Big Ox became a feared and respected Thunder medicine man even if, because of White Thigh's curse, he lost all his kin long before his own death. Curtis photographed him in 1907.
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Post by grahamew on Sept 11, 2008 9:54:35 GMT -5
Iron Fork, taken at Fort Custer, post-1885. Goff? Sitting Woman, by Barry 85-ish?
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Post by jinlian on Sept 11, 2008 13:02:20 GMT -5
Iron Fork was an army scout, b. in 1834 - Barney Old Coyote mentions him in his The Way of Warrior; about Sitting Woman, I remember there was a Crow chief bearing this same name, famous because, in a battle against the Piegans, he was dismounted from his horse and hid a bush, therefore being disgraced among his own people. I doubt however he can be identified with the man in the picture, because the battle took place in 1858, when that Sitting Woman was already a chief - therefore at least in his early thirties.
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Post by grahamew on Sept 11, 2008 13:29:19 GMT -5
A son maybe? A less common picture of Curley - by Haynes, dated 84 but possibly later: Here's another photo of him that seems to have been taken at the same session:
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Post by jinlian on Sept 11, 2008 16:19:49 GMT -5
Beautiful photographs - didn't know the second one. Here are some of the Crow portraits I've collected so far: "Little Light" by Haynes (early 1880s?) - b. in 1851 "Hail Stone" the first one, by Haynes, was taken a few years before the second (taken at Fort Keogh). No information, except that this man was a scout also known as Stump Horn Bull. "Hoop on the Forehead" (Haynes?) b. in 1847, doesn't appear in the 1910 census therefore died between 1908 and 1910 Was also photographed by Curtis in 1908 "Spies" by Haynes (1880s?) or Spies on The Enemy, b. in 1861 d. in 1907
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Post by jinlian on Sept 12, 2008 2:30:06 GMT -5
Iron Fork (as "Forked Iron") was photographed by Curtis in 1908 too:
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Post by grahamew on Sept 12, 2008 4:35:16 GMT -5
I have this man down as Stump Horn Bull, photographed by Huffman - a later Huffman too, I think. Not one of those taken 1879-83. Note the cigarette!
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Post by jinlian on Sept 12, 2008 4:55:08 GMT -5
I noticed :-) . For sure, same man as "Hail Stone!"
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Post by grahamew on Sept 12, 2008 6:26:54 GMT -5
Curley at the LBH Monument, by Haynes: Well-known Barry photo of Curley: The well-known Haynes photo pf Curley (wearing a jacket that turns up in a Haynes photo of Little Head), dated 1883:
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