Jack Red Cloud and Friends

[grahamew]

Oh yes! Good one!

[wolfgang911]

Oct 19, 2008 13:46:40 GMT -5 kingsleybray said:

"Maybeso, I told you already, that Jim Red Cloud's mother was a Cheyenne. Spotted Crow told me, 'I think she was a sister of Beaver Heart, I am not sure, but anyway, this woman was offered to Jack Red Cloud to defend the Cheyenne who left Oklahoma. But Old Red Cloud would not do so, on account of his promise of the 1868 treaty. Spotted Crow, himself half-Cheyenne, and little prejudiced towards old Red Cloud, said 'hell of a man to run to for protection,' in Sioux (Inakipapisica)."
Kingsley

Is 'old' red cloud jack red cloud or red cloud deciding for his son?

The pictures of Jack RC make me feel he was a very proud and good man. I think he might have felt beinge born 10 years too late to participate in a role he would have liked to.

[jeroen]

another jack red cloud...

[jinlian]

Wanamaker Store, 1913: first, second and third from left: Plenty Coups, Medicine Crow, White Man Runs Him (Crow)
shaking hands with Rodman Wanamaker: Two Moons (Cheyenne)
Standing fifth from right Jack Red Cloud

[jeroen]

Great image!
This one is also from the Wanamaker event, Jack Red Cloud leading... it was originally called "Warriors of other days":

[jinlian]

James Red Cloud, son of Jack Red Cloud, and his family at Agate Springs Ranch, 1931

[jeroen]

a slight variation of an earlier posted picture of Jack Red Cloud:

[jeroen]

another Wanamaker image of Jack Red Cloud:

[jinlian]

Gorgeous, looking just like his father. Thanks, Jeroen.

[plund]

Could any of the above pictures been taken at the home of Stephen and Zoe Amiotte? I understand thru family stories that Red Cloud was often down there holding gatherings?
Not sure if they were related and if they were not sure how, My Grandfather was the man with one eye, Alex LaBuff.

[plund]

Wow can anyone identify all the ones at the Wanamaker store picture, my mother was born at Wanamker, S.D. and was a daughter of Alex LaBuff.

[plund]

My Grandfather was Alex LaBuff his given name was Estah-A-Gok-pay. I would appreciate if some one could transalate his sioux name so that it will make it a little easier for finding out more info. He helped bury the dead at Wounded Knee.
My Grandfather was born in 1862 probably around Ft Larmie. His sister was Zoe Amiotte married to Stephen. Red Cloud was often at thier home

[dickmill]

I asked a Lakota friend and he said "Ista" in Lakota is "eye" and "Agokpe" in Lakota is "to cover up". There could be many interpretations. Since your grandfather had only one eye, he may have worn a patch to "cover up."

[tkavanagh]

Again, sorry for being so late:

The photos above, reply #73, are by Joseph K. Dixon; the original negatives are at the W.H. Mathers Museum, Indiana Univisity ( I iused to be curator there).

tk

[W. Smoke]

Old Chief Smoke
Reign; 1800-1864 Old Bull Bear
| No Reign; 1834-1841
Chief Man Afraid I
Reign; 1851, 1864-1868

Red Cloud
Reign; 1868-1909 American Horse
| No Reign; 1895-1895
Chief Jack Red Cloud
Reign; 1909-1928
|
Chief James Red Cloud _ Chief Charles Red Cloud
Reign; 1928-1960 Reign; 1960-1979
|
Chief Oliver Red Cloud
Reign; 1979-Present

Old Man Smoke was the Original Head Chief of the Teton Hunkpatila -Oglalas- and Lakota Sioux Nation. His reign for sixty-four years as the original head-chief and his reign was the longest reign ever of any head chief in the Lakota history; 1800-1864.

Old Bull Bear was not a head chief anytime during his life but was a headman and first chief of the Kiyaksa band of Eastern Teton -Hunkpatila- Oglala Lakotas.

Man Afraid I was the first-born son of Smoke and was semi-appointed as the second main-head man and the next chief to led the people by Smoke at the treaty of 1851. When Smoke died in 1864 Man Afraid took over as the Original Head Chief. His reign was only four years and 1 month as the second original head-chief; 1864-1868. Young Man Afraid II was supposed to inherit the original line of the Leadership when his father Man Afraid I passed away in 1899.

Red Cloud was not supposed to be a high rank head chief or anything like that and Smoke didn’t authorize that Red Cloud would be a prominent chief, just as a warrior and some type of a minor-leader. But that all changed at the treaty of 1868 when the U.S. Government appointed him as the head-chief of all the Sioux, Red Cloud took it and ran with it. One of his first acts, he over throw Man Afraid I as the original head chief and try to exile him and other prominent chiefs and told the people that he was the chief now. His reign for forty-one as the new line of head chief and his reign was the second longest reign of any head chief in the Lakota history; 1868-1909.

American Horse was appointed by the hands of Agent McGillycuddy as the new head-chief of the Oglalas in 1895 at the Agency because the agent was trying to diminish the power of Red Cloud. But Red Cloud regains his power and continues the leadership. American Horse’s reign was short lived; 1895-1895.

Jack Red Cloud was the only son of Red Cloud and who took over as the head chief of Oglalas when his father passed away in 1909. He never became like his father or his status, but Jack’s reign for nineteen years as the chief; 1909-1928.

James Red Cloud was the Oldest of the two sons of Jack and became the head chief of Oglalas when his father died in 1928. He reign for thirty-two years as the chief; 1928-1960 and his reign was the third longest reign of any head-chief in the Lakota history. After his grandfather Red Cloud who reign for forty-one as the new head chief and his great-grandfather Old Chief Smoke who reign for sixty-four as the first original head chief.

Charles Red Cloud was the Youngest of the two sons of Jack and became the head chief of the Oglalas when his nephew Edgar (Edgar was the son of James) didn’t want the responsibilities of leading the people. So Charles took over as the head chief of the Oglalas when his brother James passed away in 1960. Charles reign for nineteen years as the chief; 1960-1979

Oliver Red Cloud is the oldest son of Charles and became the head Chief of the Oglalas when his father passed away in 1979. His reign thirty-one years now as the head chief and his reign is the fourth (soon to sure pass his uncle James’s thirty-two reign) longest reign of any head chief in the Lakota history; 1979-Present. Oliver is 90 years old now and he is a well-respected statesman amongst the Lakota people and Oliver is the chairman of the Black Hills Sioux Nation Treaty Council.

Oliver has two sons but his oldest son; Verdell died almost two years ago and his youngest son; Lyman who use to be really active in traditional politics, is now living in a nursing-home and is in bad health. Oliver has a nephew named Alfred Red Cloud; he is the minor-chief of a community called Collier and a headman of the Oglala people. But I think Alfred died last summer?

Some Lakota (Oglala) people said; “They kind of don’t like the Red Cloud family and want them remove from the traditional power!”

Old
Chief
Smoke
/ \
Chief Man Chief
Afraid I Solomon
| “Smoke”
Chief Young II
Man Afraid |
II Chief
| Wendell
Chief Frank Smoke
Afraid of |
His Horses Melvin
| “Emil”
Paul Afraid of Smoke
His Horses |
| |
Ed Afraid of Wendyll
His Horses Smoke

Frank and Wendell were the last chiefs of the Man Afraid and Smoke Families.

Paul died from a construction accident and Emil never succeeded to be the chief.

The two original lines of Oglala Leadership of today are;

Ed but he’s just a modern day warrior of the Toklala’s Warriors/Veterans Society and the keeper of Chief Man Afraid I’s Headdress.

Me; Wendyll, but I proclaims myself as the “Traditional Grand Prince of the Lakota Sioux Nation and the Head of the Smoke Family” because other chiefs and the Lakota Sioux people don’t really recognize me as a traditional chief yet. So that is one reason why, the second reason is for Old Chief Smoke, today almost no-one recognize him for his great leadership as the original head-chief. He excels the Lakotas into the new era and united them under his leadership!

My uncles; Edward and Ben Smoke don’t want the responsibility, so that make me the next in line in the Smoke family (I’m the third oldest male –after my two uncles- out of the males in the Smoke’s line with the Smoke name). I never claim to be the chief, that’s later on in my life.