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Post by grahamew on Aug 26, 2008 11:43:45 GMT -5
We had a great thread on the old board, so I hope it's all right to post this here, because I don't remember seeing it on littlebighorninfo: It's by George Spencer, presumably at Fort Sheridan. Here's Short Bull by Heyn, which I also don't remember seeing on the previous thread. I know this is the Minikojou thread, but the two men are linked... The man standing in the centre of the back row is supposed to be Short Bull, but the only other men I recognise are Oglala. He also looks rather tall; on other group photos I've seen, he's not a particularly tall man. It's one of a series of images feauring Jack Red Cloud and Little Wound; I'll post all those I have on the Oglala thread:
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Post by grahamew on Aug 26, 2008 12:27:55 GMT -5
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Post by Dietmar on Oct 13, 2008 11:41:45 GMT -5
Here´s another photograph taken when Kicking Bear was touring with the Wild West Show. It would be interesting to know who the other individual is.
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Post by grahamew on Nov 10, 2008 14:40:02 GMT -5
Here's a Trager photo that identifies Kicking Bear as Big Talk, which is ironic when you think of those other Trager photos that identify KB when it's not him; taken at Pine Ridge, 1891. Good Lance, Big Talk, High Hawk, Two Strike Detail, in case you had any doubts... Here's a photo of a man identified as Big Talk. No idea when it was taken or who the photographer was. The auction site I 'borrowed' it from claims it was taken in the 1860s-70s. My guess is that it's at least a decade later.
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Post by Dietmar on Nov 10, 2008 14:43:37 GMT -5
In my opinion the man above is the Kiowa leader Lone Wolf.
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Post by grahamew on Nov 10, 2008 15:15:04 GMT -5
Anyone know if this is a Remington? It was used in the 1893 Wild West Show programme - although KB wouldn't have been in the show by then, it is meant to be him. Here's detail of the head: Did Remington ever draw KB? Presumably they met at least once, to discuss the drawing of Little Bighorn that Remington commissioned and never collected. I often wondered about this picture. Same curl to the lips; similar nose... If memory serves, it's just labelled 'Sioux chief'. Here's the detail of the head: Here's Danish artist Carl Rohl-Smith's bust of Kicking Bear, 1892; Smith also used a full length sculpture of KB to as part of a commemorative statue for the Fort Dearborn Massacre: Kicking Bear posed for Black Partridge, protecting Margaret Helm from the blow of a young warrior:
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Post by grahamew on Nov 10, 2008 15:16:56 GMT -5
See what you mean! Guess it's mid-late 70s.
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Post by grahamew on Nov 16, 2008 15:07:04 GMT -5
No. lt is late 60s-early 70s. The original date was right, but the name threw me. Isn't this the same or a similar jacket worn by Woman's Heart in this Soule photo? So, as you say, it's Lone Wolf and possibly a less common Soule...?
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Post by Dietmar on Nov 17, 2008 14:33:59 GMT -5
It doesn´t look like a typical Soule photo, but could be. And I´m sure it is Lone Wolf.
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Post by grahamew on Nov 18, 2008 2:38:32 GMT -5
No, the backdop doesn't look right, but I'm not sure. It certainly does look like Lone Wolf
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Post by grahamew on Feb 1, 2010 13:23:17 GMT -5
From the British Museum collection: Must be from the same group as these: It's clear some of the men have changed dress. I don't think that's Kicking Bear in the British Museum photo; if it is, he's changed clothing and bonnet. It's the 18901-2 Wild West Show. So who are the other men?
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Post by jeroen on Feb 8, 2010 5:35:27 GMT -5
A fine portrait of Kicking Bear by Rinehart:
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Post by grahamew on Feb 17, 2010 11:48:57 GMT -5
Johnny Baker in Ghost Shirt, Mrs V. R. Day, Short Bull and wife, V. R. Day:
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Post by bernie on Apr 2, 2010 9:15:13 GMT -5
KICKING BEAR PORTRAIT ....BERNIE JOHN file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Owner/Desktop/kicking%20bear%20copy.jpg
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Post by Dietmar on Apr 11, 2010 5:23:55 GMT -5
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