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Post by ann on Aug 7, 2017 17:26:36 GMT -5
Can anyone help identify these Chiricahua women in these photos:   |
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Post by jasper4 on Aug 10, 2017 9:10:44 GMT -5
you can go through the thread on chiricahua women, if you havent already. and welcome to a very good group of persons
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Post by ann on Aug 10, 2017 11:50:20 GMT -5
Thanks, I looked through those pictures and could not find anyone that looked like these women. I have been told the front women in the first photo and the colored picture were both Lozen. However, they look like two different people to me. I understand from what I have read on this board there are no known pictures of Lozen.
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Post by coeurrouge on Aug 11, 2017 16:30:52 GMT -5
Hello and welcome, If and very if the women in the photo were Chiricahua, it seems the photo was taken like near Fort Bowie landscape. And the only photos known of Chiricahua near Fort Bowie were on march 1886 of the Chiricahua women taken prisonners and the Geronimo's group after the final surrender. But the photos were alaways taken on studios or with military guards. Those women seemed free and the one on the background, more I look more I wonder if she was not Dostheseh (Cochise's wife and mother of Naiche) She and Fun's mother were sent on summer 1886 in Fort Bowie by US Army for triyng to convince their son to surrender. If I am right but I have doubts, the woman in front was Fun's mother Ettshonn. |
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Post by ann on Aug 13, 2017 17:52:55 GMT -5
That is interesting Coeurrouge. I have gone through my old photo's and you can very well be right. Do you think there might be some resemblance to Victorio and the woman to the front of the first picture?
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Post by coeurrouge on Aug 14, 2017 13:46:14 GMT -5
Impossible to say for most the people here because of one reason :
There was no photography of Victorio as we know. The ones names at Victorio were in fact of Mohave or Yayapai (I am not sure about the writting)scout
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Post by ann on Aug 14, 2017 16:47:03 GMT -5
Wow--I have a book on Victorio. I hope the book is correct in the writing. However, if that is the case (which I am sure you are correct) they have the wrong picture. Thanks, for this information I will see what I can find out about Mohave and Yayapai. It is sad that so many of the great Apache people there are no pictures of them.
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Post by juan on Aug 18, 2017 19:45:32 GMT -5
There is very little historical in the Apache culture yes I wish there was more but all Apache especially the chiricauha tribe they bilieved in leaving the mother Earth like it was or in a better state very secretive but that is it.
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Post by jasper4 on Aug 23, 2017 13:09:40 GMT -5
She traveled as a prisoner of war to Mount Vernon Barracks in Alabama. She died in confinement of tuberculosis on June 17, 1889. Buried in unmarked grave. She is pictured in infamous POW train picture. Name meant good thief of horses, also had other name of which remains not written nor known yet she was beloved little sister of biduyah
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Post by jasper4 on Aug 23, 2017 13:40:54 GMT -5
She traveled as a prisoner of war to Mount Vernon Barracks in Alabama. She died in confinement of tuberculosis on June 17, 1889. Buried in unmarked grave. She is pictured in infamous POW train picture. Name meant good thief of horses, also had other name of which remains not written nor known yet she was beloved little sister of biduyah biduyah captured and bandana removed and look of disdain. FYI he was not mexican as some in old mexico say or claim. Attachments:
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Post by chi1 on Aug 24, 2017 13:22:32 GMT -5
Can anyone help identify these Chiricahua women in these photos: Hello and welcome, If and very if the women in the photo were Chiricahua, it seems the photo was taken like near Fort Bowie landscape. And the only photos known of Chiricahua near Fort Bowie were on march 1886 of the Chiricahua women taken prisonners and the Geronimo's group after the final surrender. But the photos were alaways taken on studios or with military guards. Those women seemed free and the one on the background, more I look more I wonder if she was not Dostheseh (Cochise's wife and mother of Naiche) She and Fun's mother were sent on summer 1886 in Fort Bowie by US Army for triyng to convince their son to surrender. If I am right but I have doubts, the woman in front was Fun's mother Ettshonn. If you notice the plant on rigth top it is a Yucca plant which is more common on New Mexico and Chihuahua deserts, Fort Bowie has more altitude for that plant. There are other types of yucca at Fort Bowie such as yucca spanish dager or Mohave yucca, but for sure is not an study landscape picture as many others, some place around New Mexico maybe. |
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Post by chi1 on Aug 24, 2017 13:25:23 GMT -5
She traveled as a prisoner of war to Mount Vernon Barracks in Alabama. She died in confinement of tuberculosis on June 17, 1889. Buried in unmarked grave. She is pictured in infamous POW train picture. Name meant good thief of horses, also had other name of which remains not written nor known yet she was beloved little sister of biduyah biduyah captured and bandana removed and look of disdain. FYI he was not mexican as some in old mexico say or claim. Any known descendants for Biduyah or Lozen on res? |
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Post by ann on Aug 25, 2017 10:49:04 GMT -5
She traveled as a prisoner of war to Mount Vernon Barracks in Alabama. She died in confinement of tuberculosis on June 17, 1889. Buried in unmarked grave. She is pictured in infamous POW train picture. Name meant good thief of horses, also had other name of which remains not written nor known yet she was beloved little sister of biduyah biduyah captured and bandana removed and look of disdain. FYI he was not mexican as some in old mexico say or claim. In the picture of the train I have read the second woman in the back L-R was Lozen also. However, on this site under Geronimo (3 over) down to Dietamar's Picture of the train it says she is Bi-ya-neta, stolen wife of Perico. I also believe Mithio confirmed that. Thanks for your comment. |
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Post by ann on Aug 25, 2017 10:59:26 GMT -5
On Youtube: Warrior Women, Lozen, Claudine Saenz, a descendant of Victorio and Lozen talks. I am not sure where she lives. But most of the Tribes have a record of a person, if you know their name.
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Post by chi1 on Aug 29, 2017 13:22:24 GMT -5
Can anyone help identify these Chiricahua women in these photos: I found the first picture on a magazine and on picture footnote says is part of the collection of the Washinton D.C Congress Library, there should be more information about picture. |
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