W. J. Phillips - Southern Plains camp

[grahamew]

I've seen this elsewhere (and a much smaller image) identified as the work of WJ Phillips, a photographer who went to Fort Sill after Soule. There is a vaguely similar shot that has notation on the mount saying it's an Arapaho camp at Camp Supply in 1869:






I recall reading on the smaller version that this is Big Mouth




The other photo...



And I wonder if this photo supposedly showing Red Moon, Powder Face and Whirlwind isn't also by Phillips. I'm sure I've seen a larger version of this and they're sitting under tees... Or, of course, it could be a Soule or a Bliss or...

[kingsleybray]

it looks like Big Mouth -- isn't there a photo in Trenholm & Carley, The Arapahoes, Our People, supposedly depicting Medicine Man (N. Arapaho chief) that looks like these? -------- Just a thought.

[Dietmar]

I´ve tentatively identified the two men at left as White Crow (standing) and Tall Bear (sitting), both Southern Arapahoes.
White Crow was a delegate to Washington in 1872, as was Big Mouth, who I agree is also in the full photo.

[kingsleybray]

the man standing in the white robe, isn't he one of Little Raven's sons? Cf. the photo with his brother and father and Wm Bent taken at Ft Dodge; also the photo of him and brother used on the Contents page of Colin Taylor's The Plains Indians (Salamander Books, 1994).

[Dietmar]

Two more pictures from the same series:

[grahamew]

Hadn't seen that last photo! Thanks.

Yes, Kingsley: Heap of Bears?

amertribes.proboards.com/thread/2302/little-raven-family

[grahamew]

Here's a closer view of the man in three of the other photos:

[Dietmar]

I´m sorry guys, but I have to disagree about Heap of Bears.

[allenc]

Thanks for this discussion. So, who was Phillips?
Was he there just before Soule or at the same time? If his one photo of the man and the line of women and children represents Washita captives as sometimes captioned. Soul also photographed a group of Washita captives.
I can't locate any information on him.
thanks

[grahamew]

I'm afraid I haven't been able to find out anything about him other than what it said on Cowan's site about him following Soule

[almont]

OK thanks

[grahamew]

...though it would seem this may be by Phillips too:



See amertribes.proboards.com/thread/2607/william-soule?page=1&scrollTo=20995