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Post by carlo on May 12, 2017 16:23:03 GMT -5
I'd like to start a thread on Long Soldier, Akicita Hanska.
Born ca. 1819, Long Soldier was a Hunkpapa headman and signed the 1868 Fort Laramie Treaty. Likely fought, or was present, at the LBH Battle, then fled to Canada with Sitting Bull. Is listed as a tiyospaye band leader (11 families, 54 people) in the Sitting Bull Surrender Ledger of 1881, living with his wife Rock (b. ca. 1856) and his daughter White Buffalo (b. ca. 1871, obviously from an earlier wife.) Settled on Standing Rock. Photographed by D.F. Barry in the 1880s. He also was the keeper, or at least interpreter, of a now well known Hunkpapa winter count.
Not much else is known about this man, so it would be great if some more details about him can be filled in, e.g. additional family members, year of death, band affiliation, warrior career, etc.
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Post by carlo on May 13, 2017 9:17:52 GMT -5
There seems to be a connection between Long Soldier and Jaw (or His Fight), b. 1850. American artist Decost Smith met His Fight in 1884 and stated that Long Soldier was His Fight's father, but this is incorrect -- at least in the Euro-American sense of the word. It is entirely conceivable that Long Soldier was His Fight's uncle on his mother's side, thus in Lakota kinship terms also a 'father'. His Fight's mother was a Hunkpapa by birth and died when he was very young.
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Post by grahamew on May 14, 2017 9:51:33 GMT -5
This man (photographed by Goff and copied by Barry, I think)?
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Post by carlo on May 14, 2017 9:57:31 GMT -5
Yes, that's the photo of Long Soldier.
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Post by charlie on Sept 25, 2017 10:19:14 GMT -5
I think that Long Soldier belonged to Che Ohba (Droopy thingy) band, the same band of famous chiefs such as Bear Ribs and Rain in the Face.
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Post by Californian on Oct 17, 2019 21:00:55 GMT -5
on the subject of Long Soldier - these 2 photographs billed with that name, I doubt that these are the same men
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Post by Dietmar on Oct 21, 2019 5:31:59 GMT -5
If we look again in the Sitting Bull Surrender Ledger, we´ll find that Long Soldier was 62 years old in 1881.
Does it help?
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Post by Californian on Oct 22, 2019 9:22:31 GMT -5
thank you Dietmar - the second photograph clearly seems to be of a later date, I would go as far as stating it is from the early 1900's with the faded-out background look. I do not believe that these two men are the same - on the earlier image (with the hat) - suggest to look at the lips - which are pronounced full (if not fleshy) looking and in a straight line, similar to other Hunkpapa members that I have observed - whereas in the second image it is a think line, that is both upper and lower lip, and pointing downward.
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Post by grahamew on Oct 22, 2019 13:11:00 GMT -5
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Post by Dietmar on Oct 22, 2019 16:05:13 GMT -5
I think there is no absolute certainty due to the blurred resolution of the photo (of which Grahame found the best version up to date), but if I had to decide who looks more like the man in the group photo, it would clearly be the right man.
The Long Soldier with hat in the Goff photo I have also seen identified as Atsina, which may indicate a connection to the Gros Ventre/Hidatsa.
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Post by shan on Oct 23, 2019 4:15:43 GMT -5
The tall man in the group photo is not as tall as one thinks at first, yes he is tall, but he is standing on a slightly elevated level compared to the others who are standing, but what really strikes me, is the size of his head, which is enormous compared to everyone else in the photo.
Shan
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Post by Dietmar on Oct 27, 2019 16:13:02 GMT -5
Long Soldier was said to be "the biggest red man on the reservation" (Daily Press and Dakotaian, July 27, 1878)
"His head is so large, that a hat has never yet be found large enough to fit him." (Bismarck Tribune, May 13, 1881)
One newspaper described him as "six feet six inches in hight" (The Cecil Whig, July 04, 1874)
In winter 1876 he was sent as a emissary to the 'hostile' camps:
Three weeks ago, Gen. Carlin sent "Long- Soldier," a Sioux Chief, on a mission to the hostiles, the object of which was to induce them to come in and surrender unconditionally. Nothing has been heard from him since, and fears are entertained that the Sioux have killed him, or detained him as a prisoner until they decide on peace or war. Though a great "bummer” and “coffee-cooler," Long-Soldier is one of the true friends of the whites, so long as he gets his rations with regularity: and on this account it is hoped that he will return, whether successful or not in his mission.
(Chicago Daily Tribune, December 26, 1876)
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Post by Dietmar on Oct 27, 2019 17:09:30 GMT -5
In an older message Kingsley Bray stated that Tall Soldier was a leader of the Che-okhba or Droopy thingy [Proboards' software automatically replaces the word for the male sexual organ] band of Hunkpapas, and also a son of Little Bear, one of the most prominent Hunkpapa leader of the 1860s. I assume Tall Soldier is just another translation of Akicita Hanska. see: www.american-tribes.com/Lakota/BIO/ThunderHawk.htm
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Post by carlo on Apr 22, 2020 4:22:37 GMT -5
Although called a “coffee-cooler," and a "true friend of the whites" by the Chicago Daily Tribune reporter in the post above, it seems that Tall/Long Soldier's sons were not of similar disposition. Long Soldier lost two sons during the Great Sioux War, within a very short period of eachother: Sitting Bear was killed by a Crow bullet to the abdomen in the Battle of the Rosebud, June 17, 1876, and Hawk Man died leading the counterattack against Reno's soldiers at the Little Bighorn eight days later. Another one of Long Soldier's family members (a nephew?) named Dog With Horns, was also killed in the valley fight with Reno.
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Post by frenchman on Apr 23, 2020 8:03:41 GMT -5
Greetings from France 1)following the Dietmar's thread (oct 27 , 2019 ) Little Bear , a prominent Hunkpapa chief , was given as the Long Soldier's father but I had Little Bear born in 1836 and Long Soldier born in 1819 so , if these dates are right we have a little problem ! 2)In the last Carlo's thread Hawk Man , killed at LBH , is given as a Long Soldier's son but before I had Hawk Man as a son of Bear Ribs -So I would like to know what are the real ties between all these men ? Best regards .
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