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Post by liverpoolannie on Sept 16, 2008 22:32:10 GMT -5
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Post by grahamew on Sept 17, 2008 1:52:25 GMT -5
Is American Horse here? I can see Red Cloud, Spotted Tail and Crook, but...? Detail:
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Post by jinlian on Sept 17, 2008 3:00:54 GMT -5
Hi Grahame, I've thought of that possibility too - in fact, in those very days, American Horse was serving as a scout and, to quote Billy Garnett, "he was staying at Fort Robinson claiming he needed protection for he has just killed Sioux Jim" (in early autumn). What's more, George Hyde reports that in "those days (1876-77) this chief, the son of old Sitting Bear had been singled out by general Crook as a particular friend". So, there're a lot of reason which would make his presence in that occasion more than possible, but unfortunately the picture isn't much clear...it could be anyone: the native standing near Crook, the other standing fifth from left (with white hat). Annie, I'm not sure of what I myself would have done in these days...lots of hard choices to make and never being sure you were doing the right thing. Even when people standed all together to oppose land bills (see what happened with the Apsalooka) in the end, they have to gave up. I wouldn't blame any native , but rather the US government...(speaking of the picture, it is displayed at the bottom of the AH biography - I myself postted it at the time in the LBH forums ! )
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Post by eamonn on Sept 27, 2008 13:46:38 GMT -5
Hi Guys
I read on another forum that Chief American Horses remains were recently to be reinterred somewhere else. I remember speaking to Ben American Horse who directed me to Holy Cross Episcopal Cemetry to pay my respects. Sure enough his grave was there (i had spent 2 days searching around Kyle distric dah). Was he removed from this cemetry and any idea why. When I visited the grave it was in immaculate condition)
Regards
Eamonn
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Post by jinlian on Sept 27, 2008 13:52:44 GMT -5
Hi Eamonn,
another member posted the news about Chief American Horse's re-interrement last July (http://amertribes.proboards77.com/index.cgi?board=news&action=display&thread=112) . I understood it was mainly because of the general poor condition of the Pine Ridge cemetery, but don't know if the family had more personal reasons they preferred not to share.
Jin
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Post by jinlian on Oct 13, 2008 17:32:46 GMT -5
The Smithsonian Archives have credited this one: to C.M. Bell and dated it 1880, which is quite impossible, considering the aged looks of American Horse. Comparing it with other images, I'd say it might have been taken in the first years of 1900s and I'm in fact wondering if it hadn't been taken in 1905, in the same days of the famous Roosevelt parade. I've been searching in the contemporary issues of the NY Times, but the few articles I've found don't mention any visit to photo studios. I remember only two individual portraits of other members of the delegation (Geronimo and Hollow Horn Bear) taken in De Lancey Gill's studio. A On the other hand, it looks like this photograph was taken in the same occasion the American Horse/Red Hawk one was.
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Post by jinlian on Oct 17, 2008 9:26:11 GMT -5
This is the first one of a 3 photographs series (Dietmar posted the other two at the LBH forum and now they've been uploaded in the American Horse page on the main site: www.american-tribes.com/Lakota/BIO/AmericanHorse.htm) realized by Cincinnati photographer John Landy in 1880. Incidentally, Edwin, the boy photographed with American Horse, was Landy's own son. American Horse exchanged letters and presents with Landy for more than ten years; eleven of these letters (containing details about AH's family tree) have been sold by / Eberstadt & Sons together with a collection of 76 original ledger drawings thus described: "...incisively drawn, exact in the detail with which they render costume and weaponry - and in almost every case where Indians are depicted, showing them in association with horses, so characteristic of the Oglalas' through most of the 19th century" I wonder who was the lucky buyer of the drawings and where are they kept now...
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Post by Dietmar on Nov 17, 2008 14:46:47 GMT -5
Here´s a photograph by Daniel S. Mitchell of American Horse and two women, possibly his wife and a daughter: (posted earlier in another thread)
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Post by jinlian on Nov 17, 2008 15:43:14 GMT -5
Here are Mrs. American Horse's close-ups: images removed for copyright issues.
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Post by Dietmar on Nov 18, 2008 16:55:32 GMT -5
I hope I can surprise Jinlian with this one : Buffalo Bill, American Horse and Indian police taken probably at Pine Ridge, January 1891
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Post by jinlian on Nov 18, 2008 17:16:48 GMT -5
Thanks Dietmar!!! I was desperate to find the whole photograph...I had only a lowest resolution selection of American Horse and Buffalo Bill (mailed by a friend from another forum) but neither him not me had the slightest idea of where and when it was taken. So it's indeed a surprise! You've made my day indeed...
p.s. is George Sword also in the picture? I cannot see him....
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Post by jinlian on Nov 25, 2008 17:44:13 GMT -5
Photo originally posted by Dietmar in the "Agent Thomas Twiss" thread: Identification as follows: Daisy Glade, Lucy Day and Mary Bridgeman (girls), Bear Don´t Scare, Lone Hill and Singer (boys), plus Frank Twiss. The other children are said to be American Horse and High Wolf's sons and daughters. I've found the following image: showing two of the boys in the first photo working at Carlisle's bakeries: the first one from left is identified with "Samuel, son of High Bear (anyway, he just looks like the third boy sitting from left in the first image - I wonder about the identification) and the other is "Guy, son of American Horse" and it's clearly the boy sitting first from left in the other photograph.
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Post by jinlian on Nov 29, 2008 7:27:11 GMT -5
Now on sale at e-bay (starting bid: 900US) : American Horse and his familly, by Stevenson, El Reno, 1886. The curious thing is that the woman is neither Sleep, nor Josie, nor the other wife photographed with him in 1877. Anybody planning to partecipate to the auction?
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Post by Dietmar on Dec 1, 2008 9:48:38 GMT -5
...another one from ebay:
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Post by jinlian on Dec 1, 2008 11:02:13 GMT -5
Thanks, Dietmar, first time I see this one (I'd say it was taken around 1905 - do you have a clue about the photographer?). I was re-arranging my collection of AH photographs just a couple of days ago, and couldn't help but noticed how popular a subject he was. I don't know if it was his reputation as "friendly Indian" or the interaction he had with the camera...maybe both... This is a detail of a 1907 photo I've recently purchased (showing AH with his son Tom and his grandson - incidentally, Tom is the same son whom Gertrude Kasebier had as "Samuel")
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